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You're coming through loud and clear. Okay, I guess we got three bikes. One breed, one

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bikes the way it is. You want it, Charles? No. Now, how are you? Bye, how are you?

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Fine. Good. You're fine. Good. Yeah, we tried to go through this, you know, your

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debrief last night. The printed one, you know, this all the stuff that you guys did on

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tape, your tech debrief, to get those sort of, we try and not repeat, you know, only

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amplify stuff. And so, we've tried to come up, you know, much time to do that, but I hope

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we got most of that stuff. Okay. If you, if you think we're hitting some area that you

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think, you know, is a conflict with that, well, yeah, tell us a little. All righty.

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Change your around. And some of the things, now there were some things that you guys said

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yesterday, you know, when I was in the project debrief, that probably bear on some of

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these two. All righty. Yeah. Good morning, Bill. All right. Hey, Greg.

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Oh, you know what's my, I don't know.

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Yeah, I don't know what's here. Yeah, I don't read it.

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We don't have it. All the pictures are there. It's a lot better than what I had in this place.

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Yeah, that's going to be hard to do. I heard what you did. Okay. She was on your,

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what kind of format did you have in mind today? Okay. Questions and answers. Yeah. Questions

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and answers. I guess we ought to, for the tape, identify this Dr. Barry and for the

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medical debriefing and I'll try and ask most of the questions that people have. Some here

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we'll try and hand them in that way. If they're not, will you identify yourself? And I think

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they can identify you guys voices pretty well already on the tape. So there shouldn't be any problem

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with the tape thing. They're not loud enough. It's a little down. Yeah. Mr. Bird. Where is he?

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Can, can you get him a turn of my upside? Well, we can yell for a while here if it'll help

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and then we can get him a turn of my upside. You just speak up loud. One, two, three, four, five,

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five, four, three, two, one. Is that where it's coming from there?

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God, Craig will get somebody in there. I think I'll come try again. One, two, three, four, five,

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five, four, three, two, one. Test out. It's going to be better. It's going down.

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Huh? I think we're not throwing on this one. Where are you ringing the lock and clear it back there?

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Well, it's not coming in there though. They're not getting it in there. Okay. We can hear them

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great, but they're not here as far as we're on. Yes, inside. The speaker, not the mic.

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Here's to the max, the max, see if you can hear them vice versa. Oh, really?

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Hey, that's a lot better. Okay. It's labeled wrong. They're just screwed up and there's too much.

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Yeah. Yeah, we can hear you out here now. It's great. Okay. Good show.

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Okay. I'm going to start it a little bit out of order here, but one of the things that sort of

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forbades it, all those medical requirements. In the section 27, you had some comments about

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the medical requirements. And I thought we ought to just give one question with you.

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In explaining the medical requirements, we have one opportunity to do that with

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with deep, of course, at the time that we're trying to get the document, the medical requirements

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document published. The second, the only option for you, we really get to go over that with you,

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was at the 30-day debriefing prior to the fright. Did you guys feel that you had an understanding

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of what the requirements were? Because when I read this, it sounds like you did not. Is that true?

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I think I read the forms, Chuck, and understood in general what you were after, at least the

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number of sessions we had. I think it's a question of degree. Yeah. Okay. Well, one of the things

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we tried is a very valid thing, like I could ask comments about, you know, you should substantiate

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the requirements. No question about that. They should be clear. They should be clear to you,

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in the sense that you ought to know that what you are doing is worthwhile and the stuff is used,

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and it isn't wasted somewhere down the line. Somebody isn't just doing it for fun.

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Yeah. And we try, that's something we try to iron out pretty hard in our own house.

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And one of the things I'd like to do, is if we run, if you guys end up at the

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some time before the end of the quarantine period here, and at some time we got to have that

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data together by then, and then prior to the time that we're going to get in the out, if you've

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got an hour or some time we might be able to go over with you and show you, here's what we saw

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with you, and with the lab data and the whole bit, and say, because you know, it's very hard to get

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back together again after you get out of here to do that sort of thing. Everybody says they'd like

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to know what happened to them. We could do that to you and here, and tell you that, and here are

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the samples that were used to do that, so you have some idea of understanding about how to end.

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Would that be worthwhile to you? Yeah, the comma was made not from the point of view, a specific

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complaint about our flight, but just, you think, continuing understanding between the two

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directorates. We agree. I had time, because it's a kind of thing, well, just like without

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assigning the experiments, unless the crew understands the reasons and agrees with it, you know,

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the thing is you're going to be a successful experiment. Amen. So it wasn't the comma, it wasn't made

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from a point of criticizing anything specifically about our protocol, at all, just to reiterate what

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we did. Everybody ought to know, but doesn't know what we're thinking about. Yeah, good. And I think, Chuck,

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also probably the last few weeks before flight is not the time to try to brief the crew on

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the medical requirements. At that time, there are thoughts you're quite a bit on other things,

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and perhaps it needs to come earlier than that. Ernie, that's a good, nothing good point.

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I think each one of us is concerned with ourselves medically, or the medical,

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but that's the physiology of flight, et cetera, et cetera. But the last few weeks,

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you just can't get yourself cranked up to really think about those things, except for the things

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that are going to happen to you, so you can be mentally prepared for it. Right.

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I think I may have precipitated that comment. At least when we got that, Ernie, started that,

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they're about to, and I guess it really wasn't a complaint, Chuck, as much as just a statement,

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that it's a drag, you know, going through collecting urine for 24 hours, and so forth,

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and that. And, you know, I just wanted to toss it in that you sure hope that it's worth

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while, and I think it would be interesting to sit down and see how you, what you're really doing with

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all that. Good. I think that's really needed because we're trying to do that right now with this,

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kind of, and cruised to tell you, what we really know about what happens to man, what we know from

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the Russian side of the thing is to what's happened aren't even there longer when

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I put the thing together and say, here's what, here's what we don't know, and why we need to know it.

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work out the total body water, but the actual mechanics of how that fit into a 24 hour urine collection

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six times and, you know, blood drawing, and how that all fit in the picture, the theoretical picture

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you write, painting for us. I never understood that very good. Okay. I very now, you know,

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I think everybody stands on these things. Why don't, why don't we make a specific recommendation

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to this point? You know, all the flakers have a training plan, which is set up about the time

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of the flakers and pizzeria, and it includes all kinds of things, and the simulators, and

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scientific regions, and everything else, and why is, why wouldn't the best way to do it, but actually,

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the schedule of the time, four medical briefings early, in the training program.

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Because, I think if you all, uh, kind of rusty, if you all feel the experiments worthwhile,

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doing, you want to get your protocol settled earlier now in the game, so you have all the equipment

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or whatever you need. We're ready. Yeah. That's right. We'll be, uh, satisfactory test.

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So I would suggest that maybe sometime, uh, we schedule in the, in the crew training program early in the game.

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And I should take, because one of those things, you've got to check off, like, systems, briefings,

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everything else. And I should think that briefing should consist of, uh,

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a bit of the theoretical thing you're trying to do. Right. Followed by the mechanics,

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and the protocol. What that means to you. That's right. The mechanics of how you go about doing it,

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and the number of punctures, and where you're going to do it, and how many of your incentives

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will serve you. Great. Just so the guys understand. Great. Okay. We'll do. Great. That's great.

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I'd like to go back and pick up one then on, on the, uh, exercise, uh, area. You, you mentioned

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this in the debrief, and you mentioned it again in the, uh, uh, yesterday. But can you give me some

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idea? Now you said you missed, uh, as, I remember the, the debriefing statements here, you

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commented, you missed one day on the way out, and one day on the way back. And can you, can you,

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can you say what you did in time, uh, what, what the exercise consisted of, what you did roughly

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in time. I know you won't know the minute or second or anything, but it's roughly as you can.

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And then, uh, what, if you have any idea that you try and judge what you did as far as did you

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try and get a heart rate increase, or did you try and judge your, your exercise level in any way.

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And this is particularly important for us in trying to separate out the effects that are different

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between, uh, the two of you are on the surface versus two who is in, uh, in the spacecraft all the

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time. So we want to keep that and want to get that straight if we can. Could you just sort of

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brief the exercises because the way you did it, maybe each of you have to do it because you probably

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did it differently. But what we were shooting for was about a 10 minute period per day,

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exclusive about the two days of lunar service activity for two of us, and still is going to try to get,

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by 10 minute period per day for, including those days. The, uh, method of exercise during the 10

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minute period was to use this exercise gym device, which we have to operate that in such a fashion

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that the old, what they call the big four, where you start out with your legs and, uh,

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your feet and two loops in your hands controlling the friction device, from a cross position to a

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full stretch out, and do that several times. Then hold the, uh, the, uh, fixed loops and use the

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legs on the movable loops, and then hold the fixed loop with the toes and use the biceps.

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That's the general pattern that we tried to follow, but we didn't make all of those time periods.

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We missed the first day out because of, uh, but we didn't have a schedule for the first day out.

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Well, it was in the flight plan, but we hadn't, uh, I don't think anybody's going to exercise the

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first day anyway. Uh, in, in fact, it should never have been in the flight plan to exercise the first day.

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Pretty hard to get that in in that first day. I don't see any problem with the docking

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probes, so that it puts a lot of time. You don't really need it in that first day anyway.

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You don't really need it in that first day. Well, uh, in retrospect, I think that it would probably

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have been alleviated some of the sore back muscles that first day could go ahead and done it.

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In my case, yeah. It was kind of like one of those things where they said, okay, you want to exercise,

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put it in the flight plan. I said, yeah, we've got to have it in the flight plan. We won't do it. We're

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going to put it as a parade before lunch every day before the middle of the day. That's how I get in there.

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Okay. Didn't you say the extra gym or is it is it the extra genie or gym? I think the extra

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gym is a trademark. Yeah. Yeah. It's the same thing. It's the friction one. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. Okay.

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And, and so 10 minutes a day is what you had programmed for the thing. And did you have any,

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yeah, many I did. Did you feel that you really got a, got a fair amount? Did you get up any increase

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in breeding rate or high rate that you were aware of when you did it? Yeah. We didn't do it quantitatively

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but some of you, uh, yeah. I always tried to stop a short of cracking a sweat. It's just not

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desirable to get all sweaty in the spacecraft. And I felt like I was pulling it somewhere around

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10, 15 minutes. I could feel a heart rate going up and the breathing going up, but I would never do

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it to the point of sweat. Okay. And it's not a vigorous exercise. It's more of a, it's a tension

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exercise. All right. I put, put enough load on it where it was a, a hard pull, but a slow pull.

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Okay. It's due. Did years go about that same weight in for the whole time when you were

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alive? No, I, I'd like to just summarize exercise. Uh, in my case, uh, I, uh, I probably didn't

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exercise as much in retrospect as I would have if I were doing it again. Uh, for various and

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standard reasons, uh, one is, you know, you, you don't feel a need for the exercise. You just got to

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say, well, I'm going to, I'm going to go do this. And, uh, there were a couple of times that we got

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out the, uh, you know, it says the exercise period. So we got out the exercise and

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allinated. Have had it not be doing something or say, well, I'll put it over here and I'll get to

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it in a minute. And then, uh, I don't on one occasion, uh, several hours later, I find, got

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around to getting the, to getting it and, uh, and doing some exercise on it. The, uh, I'd say probably

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five to ten minutes was the length of time. Uh, I, uh, I was strained pretty hard. I didn't work

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up a sweat, but, you know, you use this thing. You can use it about any way you want. You can

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drag it through the ropes. It's really designed to where you hold and do an isometric first and then

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go right from the isometric into the isotonic and, and, and you get the whole, the whole smear.

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So I'd hold, uh, hold pressure on the thing and, and strain against it. And, you know, you can

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strain as little as hard as you want, but, uh, strain reasonably hard and, and then relax the

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tension and, and pull it up. Uh, but I'm trying to think I'm sure that I missed, uh, one exercise

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period on the way out completely that Alan made got in. I didn't know exercise at all the

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lunar orbit, uh, that thinking of the, uh, extra gym was, uh, never even crossed my mind for those two

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days. And then in preparation for, uh, for entry, I said, well, I'm really going to hit that on the

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way home. As it turned out, I fairly got in, uh, the one, the one exercise, uh, a day, uh,

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that, that we did on the way home. So I, I would say overall, uh, I probably, or, I'm sure I didn't

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hit the, uh, extra gym as much as I probably should have. I don't know how, uh, from my point of view,

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at least, how you, in a case like this, were you trying to do correlate, uh, the relationship of

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the exercise that I did for you know, and it's benefits or like they're off with respect to the,

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the, uh, surface grade, which was over 30 hours. I just think the workload, the basic workload,

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they're along this and have a different, but that exercise thing down the noise level.

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As competition now, the noise levels far as the two of us are concerned.

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I think that's probably very right now. And I think the thing we want to know is, you know,

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was stew trying to make up for it in some way with exercise in the space, because he obviously,

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there's no way he could make up for what you were doing on the surface.

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He was trying to, but he had a real busy flight point. Yeah. Yeah. I don't think you could do it.

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And this, this is what I wanted to find out was he, was he trying to do a lot more or something during that time?

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No, I, uh, I wasn't, I, I think that'd be a difficult thing to try to do really. I, I don't know.

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You're going to, uh, maybe with the longer period than in lunar orbit, uh,

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C and P may not be quite as busy, uh, or maybe I suspect he probably will be.

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I think it's going to be difficult to, uh, to get in my exercise there, but, uh, no, I wasn't.

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It's going to be great to do. Yeah. So obvious that stew's, stew's greater interest

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we're in on the spacecraft, and for example, B23s took a lot of time. That was the kind of,

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this is the kind of thing I'm talking about, but if you're going to get the individuals to, uh,

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try to exercise and respond to exercise, then you're going to have to get to a really

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explaining benefits or the cruisers all along. Right. Is it really an individual thing?

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That's right. And we haven't tried to set any numbers of times that you do anything or anything like that.

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And so I think we need to really carefully look at, look at that as an area. Okay, uh,

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Ed, while I'm, uh, and one that came up yesterday, when you guys were talking about, uh,

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Mertle reminded me of the, and the, and the prompts to head in right with the, the urine,

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kinking of the urine hose and so forth. Uh, how much time did you make a conscious effort, uh,

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in, in your own particular case because it's important to try to chase down your status

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post-flight here. Uh, uh, the time that you had the ensued urine device on, did, did you have it?

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Maybe, well, it wasn't my hose, it was kinked. Right, right. It was out. Yeah.

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I get her twice hours worth of that. Yeah, probably all the time. All the time.

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We, uh, oh, yeah. We had it on, I guess we have to look back on the transcript,

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or look back on the flight plan to know when we took it off the first time. We all ensued

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it at the same time, which was about six, six hours, seven hours into the flight. All right.

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Somewhere in there. And, uh, we put the UZTA zone, uh, PDI morning, and we took them off,

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only when we got back to the spacecraft after talking. And it was all for those who curious,

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only. And I never experienced any discomfort. I never had any problems whatsoever. That was

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we discussed pre-flight, no symptoms of any sort. Great. Well, it looks like, you know,

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we didn't have any, and you did well. How did you feel? Uh, that's another one we might just,

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you know, I'm fluid intake. It sounds like you all thought the water was great. So you were,

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you were drinking well, uh, did, did you, were you trying to force fluid? Were you trying to

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consciously force fluid? Yeah, I think you now. Uh, in my case anyhow, I tried to drink, take

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a drink out of the water, and about every time I went by it, I did find that I preferred the juices

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to water. And surprisingly enough, as much as I did not care for the juices, pre-flight, particularly,

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I didn't pray over anything. Uh, we were drinking a couple of juices per meal, a large portion of

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the time. I was. And in addition, uh, taking the shots from the water down about every time I go by it.

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I, I, I forced myself to drink the water, uh, not that it tasted bad or anything, but just,

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just to keep the fluid intake up. And so I would, I would drink water, uh, you know, like it says,

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every time you pass the water, you say, well, I think I'll try some of that. And one person

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would take a drink of water and pass it around and would put it back up. Did, uh, as I understand,

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though, you, you stay in the D-Rin, you, you thought you drank about half of the juices as they did.

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I said, it's probably a good average. Uh, they, they, I know, I'd say probably say a third less.

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A third less? Yeah. In juices. Yeah, you drank two juices. So, yeah, I drank two occasionally.

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Toward the, toward the end, I was, I was drinking two more than, uh, I was because a lot of times,

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you drink a cocoa and a juice and I bypassed the cocoa, uh, and I just drink a juice. So, I'd say

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probably, and this is a wag, but I'd say a third less juice than they did. Well, I think I kind of

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decided I was going to try to do everything I could to, uh, you end up in it as the check was

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I could at the end of the mission, which included, uh, keeping the food intake and the food intake up

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as well as the exercise. And, uh, this journey, what we tried to do. You did a great

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long time. We had to try to get two juices per, per meal most of the time. Okay, there was a, uh,

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question here if I did, uh, for you, particularly, did you eat more, do you feel why you were,

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well, they were with you out and they were with you in the spacecraft. And when you were alone,

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eating the drink better, I saw on your food thing. Well, I'll say, uh, excuse me, go ahead. I saw

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on your food, uh, uh, comments here that, that you, you had difficulty, you know, the food preparation

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thing you'd have preferred if you had some, some, like some canned things you could have

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opened quickly and gotten to when you were alone that way. And I can surely understand that. I think

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it's a good idea. Well, that's the way I did it. Uh, because we had them there. I guess it

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didn't come out right because that's the way I did it in New York. I would say, uh, I'd say the

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answer your question would be yes, uh, that, uh, that I ate more when, when they were in there.

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And, but the idea of people being together is, is nothing in that. It's a time factor. Yeah.

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Uh, during the coast, during the coast phase, you have more, uh, you have more time to,

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you know, the word about eating. Uh, during that lunar orbit phase, I didn't have any time at all.

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And, uh, to, you know, any extra time and particularly with the troubleshooting the

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high con and so forth, uh, so, uh, I didn't have the inclination or why don't go to the trouble

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of trying to mix up a, a meal as such and I didn't much like the, the going to all that trouble

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anyway. So, uh, I opened up, you know, a can of that chicken salad, I think it was and I had that

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for breakfast and, uh, in a wet pack and, you know, that's the type of food that you can really get

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to in a hurry and eat. Right. So I wouldn't say overall that, uh, that probably ended up eating too much

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last, but it was a little different rather than sitting down and mixing up a rehydratable

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pack and so forth. So the total amount, you don't think was any different because you're there,

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but it was just different kinds of food. It may have been a little last but, uh, do you,

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do you personally feel now you know the weight losses involved here? You know, you know, you're,

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you know, that they, uh, you got one pound each year and you got a 10 pound one and I heard you're

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coming about the scale yesterday too. But, uh, with, do you have any personal reason why you think

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there's that much difference in the weight loss I mean, is there any, do you know that you

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personally tried to account for it other than the food intake, water intake or anything of that sort?

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No, I just, I'm not sure that there's anything magic about, uh, about the zero G or the fly,

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I would suspect I'd probably lost several pounds if I'd eaten that same, uh, same menu and sat right

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here. Uh, I, uh, I probably think that I was, uh, turning pounds overweight when I went into the

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flight, uh, some matter of fact, you know, I'm not a big eater and, uh, during most of my, uh, during most

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of the time you come up on training, uh, I drink a can of sego and a can of eight juice for breakfast.

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And then I eat a sandwich for lunch and, uh, you know, maybe drink, uh, two or three cans of beer

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and eat a sandwich and even. And, you know, I, you know, I can go for days on a menu like that

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and I don't know how many calories all that adds up to you, but, uh, you know, it's, it's not a really

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high calorie, uh, diet. And I would say that that pretty much was my diet for three months prior to

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going into quarantine was just about what I, uh, what I stated there. And then when we got in the

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quarantine, or then I started eating, eating more breakfast and eating a bigger meal in the evening.

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And, uh, so I think I probably, uh, it was sort of four pounds heavy going in, going into the flight.

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And, uh, so I, uh, I think, uh, the weight loss may be overplayed a little bit because I think, uh,

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had a few extra pounds and then plus, I don't think that, uh, maybe we picked the right, uh,

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the right weight up on the, on the rolling scales. But, uh, that's needed here and there, you know.

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Well, we can probably show you something about that from when we get your lab mature of

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pulling together. I think we'd be able to give you a better handle on that as to whether,

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you know, it really was something that had to do with the zero G state or not. We hope we'll be able

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to do that. So we'll, we'll try. Well, like it is, they had the general comment, which I think

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reflects the consensus here, the three of us that, that with respect to the food in general, the type of

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food, the method by which it was packaged and so on. And, uh, and the degree to which we like,

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it just like it was primarily a function of the, uh, level of activity in the flight plan.

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But the business is going into the pantry and taking time to select foods and drinks and so on

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and it's fine during the quiet periods because that things like, uh, like spoon, spoon packages are

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good. The level of activity is not too high, but certainly the level of activity is high.

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The wet packs and the cans and that's why I want to take time food. I think this is a general comment

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that really reflects our consensus here. It was a time consuming part of the day to prepare meals.

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Get them all, get them out of the food box, get them all laid out, cut all the tops off,

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up and get all the water into them, get them the sausage and go buddy. Get the pill back in there

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when you throw it back in. It's an effort. And, uh, you know, it's a lot easier to open up a can

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and a wet pack and then, uh, then you, then you think it's a lot of trouble to mix up the juice.

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But, uh, you know, that, and that way you got your meal and you're through and you're on your way.

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Right. Okay. The cooking problem, of course, is, uh, is still a problem, which has been fairly, fairly

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common, I guess. I think I think I've got plenty of time. You don't mind, but it's a very pleasant hour.

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Yeah. It gets rid of that pain. Very effectively. But I would say in my case that watching these

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guys eat, you know, they, they went right down the menu and, uh, so I thought, you know, I, uh,

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I really, I really should do that. But, uh, I just didn't have an inclination to eat that meal.

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I'd, uh, you know, even though you know on your own mind, you know, hey, you ought to do this.

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You know, and, uh, you ought to keep yourself, you know, eat just as much as you possibly can.

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I just couldn't get around to doing it. In fact, several times I'd mix the food up.

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And then by the time I'd eat a couple of packages, you know, I just couldn't get to the,

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to the third package. And so I'd put it back in the panther.

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Let's do, uh, one of the things that's going to come out of there is somebody, you know,

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reading the, the, the, uh, debriefing itself. The obvious question comes up, okay,

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was your loss of it, your lack of appetite itself. Was it just plain lack of appetite?

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Or did you really have any, any discomfort as far as the gut was concerned at all?

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Anything that, that you've felt was pathological in your loss of appetite due to the environment or anything?

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No, no. I don't think there's anything at all. I could say, I think it, it, it boils down to a lot of

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just too much food, you know, you, you bundle up one of those meals. And, uh, there's just too much

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there to eat. Were any of you ever thirsty? You gonna fly? Did you or dry?

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You were dry. Yeah, I, I, you were dry, uh, quite a bit. You know, you'd have a sensation of

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dryness and you'd want, and water, you know, juice would make you want some water. Yeah.

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Did you, while we're at it, we might just wipe out the water. Did you guys drink the water in your

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suits? Idiated. Yeah. Drank all of his. I just drank a lot of through, I think.

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Out of three. Well, the first one I don't know how much of when I drank, I thought I didn't get the bag,

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but apparently, uh, the wall to the bag got around the drink tube and I didn't get it all out because

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it drained down around my neck during the sleep period. Okay. I had a leaky one also one time to go.

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Okay. Did you fill them up again and when you went out second, you know, and you drank about,

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you think you drank about 30 years, both times? I say, uh, I didn't really stop at three two. Yeah.

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Yeah. I drank all of mine in the second EVA, uh, and I can't remember whether I drank it all or not.

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If I didn't, there may be something still in it. Okay. All right. Hey, one of the comments on,

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while we're on there eating, uh, far from here, uh, we ran completely out of these, uh, bite-sized,

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uh, packages, you know, and to me, that was the best, the best thing we had, you, these little,

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you know, turkey sandwiches, cheese sandwiches, and, uh, and that sort of thing because that was a

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no sweat operation. You just clip that off and I can't adjust and you could go at it. So I really

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liked those and, uh, I ate all those generally that could get my hands on and, uh, we ran out of those.

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Well, we ran out of both everything else. No, not really. I had all kinds of food.

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If I may make a comment, the student of mine, uh, about, well, obviously, being able to have us, um,

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this flight plan is really something that he worked on, developed for the flight. It's, it's a busy

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flight plan. It's a full one. And it was my impression that he was more interested in

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being sure that the flight plan was done properly than, uh, the needy. Oh, yeah.

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I think that affected the, sure, the grade, which again gets back the level of activity versus the,

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if you guys can get a little, for example, those drink bags, get a little diaphragm on the end.

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Just stick over a needle to pump the water in that way and shake it up, pull the plug out and

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rig it out the same needle. It would be a lot easier for those drinks.

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I mean, for the, for the juices and things, you mean, all cutting. Yeah. So that you don't,

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so you don't end up having to sort of be, you got to drink the whole damn thing once you get it down.

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You see, you got to drink back and you got a little moral, uh, thing. It's all sucked in,

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the plastic is all pulled down. So I had exactly right, first of all, you can't get out of the

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nozzle without any relief. And you get it all down and you got to go cut the other end.

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And I was just thinking, maybe it might be an easier way to put a diaphragm to put it on the other

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end. Well, you could stick over a hypodermic type of thing and get the water in that way.

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Might be a little bit quicker way to put it. Okay. Anything you can do to make it easier is

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going to help increase the consumption. Right. Particularly during busy time periods.

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Okay. But, uh, could we get you, uh, and this is going to involve just really, uh,

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Alan and, uh, yeah, we, we'd like to have you describe as well as, as you can,

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the things that you did with your, uh, with your bio instrumentation harness is when, because

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it's very hard for us to be sure exactly what happened. We don't have that stuff back yet.

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We're going to set, we've got to, uh, got to develop a way in the trouble she did.

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And as I, the thing that happened with yours out, just from our actions, not the words,

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I mean, you love the actions, not the words. Yeah. Okay.

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Well, you said in some of the words, too.

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But what, from our point of view, what happened with your particular, uh, harness is

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everything was fine when everybody left the, the, uh, MSOB. Okay. We got, when you got into the

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spacecraft. Right after you got, apparently, when you were getting cinched down somehow,

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uh, because we had about three minutes or so after you were in, uh, in the couch of good data

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and you then we began to get erratic. They, they began to want, the baseline began to want

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over the place. Uh, that continued to get worse and worse. And pretty soon it was going

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just full scale, which was totally unreadable. So the question was, okay, it had, it was a question

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about hatch closure at that point in time. We, uh, decided, right, right then, I said, well,

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hell, we're going to go, we're going to go without that because I'm sure it's a sensor. And the

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only way to get at it, anyway, if you, we asked you then to try and press on those things,

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if that wouldn't do it, if that wouldn't recede it, uh, then the, the first option would be

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when we got you actually in flight. Now, we don't know why, but it came back. It was gone still, uh,

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when you went over Australia, as you came back up on the states magically, there we had data.

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And we went back to the MSOB from the firing room to catch that pass. And there you were,

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that was beautiful, just as if nothing had ever happened. And you hadn't done a damn thing,

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because then we asked them, you know, as you know, now, uh, as we understand, when you looked at

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that sensor, then, that you did have some material that had leaked out from underneath it. And you,

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and we understand that you replaced that, so you cleaned up and replaced that sensor, is that right?

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We didn't replace the sensor, no. Okay, just to clear it off, refill it, put a new sticky back on it

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and then put it back on. Yeah, okay. That was the second day of the flight. Yeah, the second day.

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Right. Yeah. That was the first time that we really, and that we asked you to do that,

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then because we thought we'd get it out of the way before you got into it. Okay.

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00:38:47,030 --> 00:38:49,909
And then you had another, also, changed the adapter.

359
00:38:51,030 --> 00:38:55,429
You see, it'd be a G adapter, because then one time on the flight, they said my comm was very good.

360
00:38:55,429 --> 00:39:00,469
Yeah, your comm was terrible, right? Yeah, a spare adapter, and so it changed that. I'm glad you learned

361
00:39:00,469 --> 00:39:04,230
that wasn't, I don't know, but that was pretty early, too. I think it was the first day, right?

362
00:39:04,230 --> 00:39:05,510
Yeah, I think it was the first day.

363
00:39:06,869 --> 00:39:10,710
And all that was the Lord. That was okay, ready to do the launch problem because, of course,

364
00:39:10,710 --> 00:39:17,909
no. No, no. And we had it. We had a, uh, respiration on you. You can see respiration, but we didn't have to,

365
00:39:17,909 --> 00:39:25,349
that's good. Yeah, yeah, but we didn't have an ECG. Yeah, we're really sure we can make that night good.

366
00:39:25,349 --> 00:39:29,429
Hey, how can you correlate the reappearance of your ECG signal with any, uh,

367
00:39:29,429 --> 00:39:31,510
flight activity that you might have been doing it?

368
00:39:31,510 --> 00:39:36,150
I sure can't. This is modified about that. You were, I tried to press it through a suit or anything.

369
00:39:36,150 --> 00:39:38,070
It happened. I can't feel anything too soon.

370
00:39:38,070 --> 00:39:40,949
Well, you were free then. No, you had your helmet gloves off.

371
00:39:40,949 --> 00:39:45,429
It was one hour and 30 minutes G-T-O, the, kind of, everything else.

372
00:39:45,429 --> 00:39:50,469
How was the bus arrived at that time? We were moving around with the bus insertion checklist,

373
00:39:50,469 --> 00:39:54,630
and there's a movement in the couch like diving and getting some things and pulling on,

374
00:39:54,630 --> 00:39:58,949
and still that sort of stuff. It's probably, it just got to be that you were probably just,

375
00:39:58,949 --> 00:40:03,590
it was in the sentient down in the, in the couch that it probably loosened that,

376
00:40:03,590 --> 00:40:07,750
the enter that sensor somehow a little bit. And, uh, I don't know why.

377
00:40:08,869 --> 00:40:13,110
Or put a crepe in a lead or, yeah, brought it to contact with the something else.

378
00:40:13,110 --> 00:40:16,309
Yeah. Because it sure came back fine after that.

379
00:40:16,389 --> 00:40:20,230
Okay, then the second time, what, what else did you have with, with yours now?

380
00:40:20,230 --> 00:40:22,469
From your, what else did you do to the thing?

381
00:40:22,469 --> 00:40:26,949
You know, the thing I noticed was about the, uh, next the last day,

382
00:40:28,070 --> 00:40:34,550
that the thread coupling between the sensor line, sensor harness, and belt,

383
00:40:35,750 --> 00:40:39,590
the, uh, little, that insertion belt on top of the signal condition.

384
00:40:39,590 --> 00:40:43,269
Yeah, the, uh, strip of the threads. I could get it to hold a little bit,

385
00:40:43,829 --> 00:40:46,630
and, uh, apparently the signal was fine, then it would slip off.

386
00:40:46,630 --> 00:40:48,389
But it came back beautifully when you tell you.

387
00:40:49,269 --> 00:40:52,469
But then what I considered at the end, I noticed that was loose, so,

388
00:40:53,429 --> 00:40:57,110
it threads apparently stripped on the, probably a good crack down too hard.

389
00:40:57,909 --> 00:41:05,349
Did, uh, did, did you, uh, routinely, uh, disconnect that connector at the signal

390
00:41:05,349 --> 00:41:11,989
condition here for sleep or, for, uh, bowel movements, for bowel movements, and for, swapping down,

391
00:41:11,989 --> 00:41:17,909
cleaning out process. In time, in time you pulled your clothes off to either change clothes,

392
00:41:17,909 --> 00:41:24,070
so, uh, put on the LCD or use the blue bags, whatever we all want to do.

393
00:41:27,659 --> 00:41:31,900
Okay, and then, uh, you didn't replace anything.

394
00:41:31,900 --> 00:41:36,139
You didn't do it after, uh, recede any sensor after that.

395
00:41:36,139 --> 00:41:38,059
That was the only other thing you had was the signal.

396
00:41:38,059 --> 00:41:39,980
It was your entire intake of the sensor off.

397
00:41:39,980 --> 00:41:40,699
Was that personal?

398
00:41:40,699 --> 00:41:44,380
That car was correct because, I mean, take it out and you can see the secret to the

399
00:41:44,380 --> 00:41:45,500
electrolyte.

400
00:41:45,500 --> 00:41:48,599
Right. Same with the unit.

401
00:41:48,599 --> 00:41:49,239
Okay.

402
00:41:49,239 --> 00:41:50,519
How about yours in here?

403
00:41:50,519 --> 00:41:52,679
The only thing that replaced was that one sensor.

404
00:41:53,239 --> 00:41:54,440
Which one was it?

405
00:41:54,440 --> 00:41:57,159
And it was, uh, the whole sensor?

406
00:41:57,159 --> 00:41:58,599
I don't mean replace the sensor.

407
00:41:58,599 --> 00:42:02,840
We pulled it off, cleaned it out, refilled it with electrolyte, put it back on.

408
00:42:02,840 --> 00:42:03,320
It was the same.

409
00:42:03,320 --> 00:42:04,440
Just the same outfit.

410
00:42:05,000 --> 00:42:06,280
Okay.

411
00:42:06,280 --> 00:42:09,960
You did not take the harness out of the kit and replace the whole thing.

412
00:42:09,960 --> 00:42:10,440
Okay.

413
00:42:10,440 --> 00:42:11,079
Because that's it.

414
00:42:11,079 --> 00:42:13,320
We thought you had done that, and that's it.

415
00:42:13,320 --> 00:42:15,639
You called and asked for that, but there wasn't time to do it.

416
00:42:15,639 --> 00:42:16,199
So, we took...

417
00:42:16,199 --> 00:42:18,360
Glad you could hear what we said when you guys said that.

418
00:42:20,360 --> 00:42:23,880
We took the chance that the real problem was simply the sensor and the electrolyte,

419
00:42:23,880 --> 00:42:24,760
and that's what it was.

420
00:42:24,760 --> 00:42:25,960
That's exactly where it was.

421
00:42:25,960 --> 00:42:28,440
We couldn't affect the worst time in the standpoint of time.

422
00:42:28,440 --> 00:42:29,239
Is that right?

423
00:42:29,239 --> 00:42:31,159
We were just getting ready to go into the lab, you know,

424
00:42:31,239 --> 00:42:36,679
and boy, everybody's all asking elbows and suits, and underwear, and gear,

425
00:42:36,679 --> 00:42:38,679
and books, and everything all over the place.

426
00:42:38,679 --> 00:42:40,599
I was sitting here hand dressed.

427
00:42:40,599 --> 00:42:43,079
I didn't want to go any further until we got to go on it.

428
00:42:43,079 --> 00:42:45,719
We couldn't get the high bend right up for you guys to look at it.

429
00:42:45,719 --> 00:42:46,519
Right.

430
00:42:46,519 --> 00:42:48,840
And so it was one new time left.

431
00:42:48,840 --> 00:42:50,679
So, we changed that when I went ahead and dressed.

432
00:42:50,679 --> 00:42:51,000
Yeah.

433
00:42:51,000 --> 00:42:54,360
Do you know when you came up there, though, the, uh, the, uh, the data,

434
00:42:54,360 --> 00:42:57,480
you gave us about two minutes, uh, when the high gain did lock on,

435
00:42:57,480 --> 00:43:01,159
and we got two minutes of data, and it did still show the, uh,

436
00:43:01,159 --> 00:43:02,039
the loose sensor.

437
00:43:02,039 --> 00:43:04,519
Now, what did you, what did you do the second time?

438
00:43:04,519 --> 00:43:08,280
Uh, did you, uh, you came up and asked us how the data looked,

439
00:43:08,280 --> 00:43:10,679
and we said it looked poor yet, and we gave you no more of the

440
00:43:10,679 --> 00:43:12,920
suiting to, uh, change our partners.

441
00:43:14,199 --> 00:43:18,519
I don't recall exactly the sequence of events, uh,

442
00:43:21,159 --> 00:43:24,360
when, when I called and asked for you to check it,

443
00:43:24,360 --> 00:43:27,320
yeah, as far as I know, we did nothing after that,

444
00:43:27,320 --> 00:43:31,159
except make sure everything was cinched down and went ahead and dressed.

445
00:43:31,960 --> 00:43:35,079
Didn't, didn't you do something with the, with the fluid in there?

446
00:43:35,079 --> 00:43:37,159
Yeah, but I'd already done it at that point.

447
00:43:38,360 --> 00:43:43,400
We did the, I changed the electrolyte when I called and asked you guys to check it.

448
00:43:44,440 --> 00:43:48,840
Uh, I didn't nothing after that except just make sure everything was secure.

449
00:43:48,840 --> 00:43:51,320
Yeah, because you see the first time you called the data was poor,

450
00:43:51,320 --> 00:43:53,880
and that was the basis for the call and change our partners,

451
00:43:53,880 --> 00:43:56,840
because we said, well, wasn't that sensor, and we didn't have time to talk to you,

452
00:43:57,320 --> 00:44:00,599
because LOS was coming up, so we said, go ahead and change out the whole thing,

453
00:44:00,599 --> 00:44:04,760
but whatever you did subsequently corrected it, because it came back beautifully,

454
00:44:04,760 --> 00:44:07,159
so we assumed you just changed out the horrors.

455
00:44:07,159 --> 00:44:08,760
Let's think of a little hollywood.

456
00:44:08,760 --> 00:44:09,320
Yeah, yeah.

457
00:44:12,119 --> 00:44:17,559
So you know, as you mentioned it, you know, I just can't remember precisely when we changed it,

458
00:44:17,559 --> 00:44:21,480
but I'm, but I'm thinking that it was already changed at that point.

459
00:44:21,960 --> 00:44:23,000
Oh, okay.

460
00:44:23,000 --> 00:44:29,639
Is it, uh, uh, it was just the lower, the strut, the strut, the same as the L.

461
00:44:29,639 --> 00:44:30,440
I remember that change.

462
00:44:30,440 --> 00:44:31,719
It was electrolyte that was replaced.

463
00:44:31,719 --> 00:44:36,519
Yeah, whatever you had to take it off, by changing it off and playing it and putting it back,

464
00:44:36,519 --> 00:44:37,400
just sticking it back.

465
00:44:38,280 --> 00:44:41,480
Okay, and, and you think you did that before LOS?

466
00:44:42,760 --> 00:44:46,119
Yeah, he probably did what we were thinking now happened probably,

467
00:44:46,119 --> 00:44:49,480
took a while for it to see properly, and then when he came around it was good.

468
00:44:49,719 --> 00:44:55,559
Well, his state, state good then, and then we were having trouble with yours going,

469
00:44:55,559 --> 00:45:01,639
and you began to get this one rebase line on yours again before the, you know, after we got

470
00:45:01,639 --> 00:45:04,840
into the limit, so there was a question in our minds about it.

471
00:45:04,840 --> 00:45:09,239
Is there any way we could do it to, to get that better, you know, to make that better?

472
00:45:09,239 --> 00:45:14,760
We were trying to find, trying to figure some way, could you reach around when you were in the suit?

473
00:45:14,760 --> 00:45:18,440
Is there any way you could get at that thing if you took like, after the EVA,

474
00:45:18,440 --> 00:45:19,960
if you ended up picking the helmet off?

475
00:45:21,239 --> 00:45:23,719
Could you get down into the, into the suit here?

476
00:45:23,719 --> 00:45:28,039
You really have to have the upper torso garment, the upper part of the torso garment,

477
00:45:28,039 --> 00:45:30,199
clear the body in order to be able to feel that.

478
00:45:30,199 --> 00:45:32,519
In order to be able to feel that way, you could definitely tell you know,

479
00:45:32,519 --> 00:45:35,639
the other guy goes through the backs if we're around in front.

480
00:45:35,639 --> 00:45:39,559
Then we tried that on the ground to see if you could do that, and that's pretty hard to do.

481
00:45:40,760 --> 00:45:41,960
The most you can do is press on it.

482
00:45:41,960 --> 00:45:44,519
After all that time of quarantine, that's pretty dangerous too.

483
00:45:44,519 --> 00:45:45,159
Yeah, yeah.

484
00:45:48,840 --> 00:45:51,000
Depends on where your hand is at, okay.

485
00:45:53,400 --> 00:45:56,039
Forget the EVA, just keep pulling with my sensory.

486
00:45:58,599 --> 00:46:00,440
You've got two hours to stop that.

487
00:46:04,360 --> 00:46:05,239
Oh, okay.

488
00:46:11,179 --> 00:46:16,219
The thing we got from the sleep, and I, which I think is fairly work hard with you,

489
00:46:16,219 --> 00:46:18,940
if you have anything to add to that, we'd like you to.

490
00:46:18,940 --> 00:46:26,139
But what we got out of it is that all of you pretty well never really had a solid long sleep period

491
00:46:26,139 --> 00:46:30,860
that it was broken and it was things like a couple of hours at a time or something.

492
00:46:30,860 --> 00:46:34,059
And I gather that the reasons for that vary.

493
00:46:34,059 --> 00:46:41,659
You had some difficulty with wanting to feel some pressure in its case, I know.

494
00:46:41,659 --> 00:46:46,139
And this is how I mentioned this too, and stew didn't like the couch.

495
00:46:46,139 --> 00:46:52,139
And then you ended up in the limb, the thing was being the suits all the time,

496
00:46:52,139 --> 00:46:56,860
and then the tilt of the limb to both those things probably had a lot to do with sleep activity.

497
00:46:56,860 --> 00:47:02,940
Is there anything else that you can add to you feel that you were rested enough to do the task

498
00:47:02,940 --> 00:47:04,300
even with the sleep that you had?

499
00:47:05,099 --> 00:47:08,539
Yeah, but I think we're working on reserves, yeah, I did too.

500
00:47:08,619 --> 00:47:11,260
Well, there were two days that we felt sloppy.

501
00:47:12,619 --> 00:47:17,659
One was the second day out after the excitement of the launch and all that,

502
00:47:19,739 --> 00:47:22,619
being becoming, becoming acclimated to the new environment.

503
00:47:23,500 --> 00:47:28,300
So we felt like we weren't really clinging on to the second day out.

504
00:47:28,300 --> 00:47:33,659
And the day after TDI, although we all apparently slept better after TDI, that night,

505
00:47:33,659 --> 00:47:38,460
I guess it was probably the terms of continuous sleep was probably the best way to do it.

506
00:47:38,460 --> 00:47:42,219
Still, the next day we felt like we were not really harmonized.

507
00:47:42,219 --> 00:47:47,579
We got things done, but the little things were not being handled as neatly as we would like to see them.

508
00:47:47,579 --> 00:47:52,699
So this is the only two days we felt that we weren't on top of the flight plan.

509
00:47:53,900 --> 00:47:59,260
I think, Chuck, I feel that for no longer than we work for nine days,

510
00:47:59,900 --> 00:48:05,179
that you can get along on a fairly small amount of sleep, and just your reserves,

511
00:48:05,179 --> 00:48:08,860
and your discipline, and everything else makes you do the job properly.

512
00:48:08,860 --> 00:48:13,500
But in my case, I felt very strongly that I was on reserves,

513
00:48:14,059 --> 00:48:16,300
that physically I was going downhill.

514
00:48:19,500 --> 00:48:22,219
It was of some concern to me that I wasn't getting enough sleep.

515
00:48:22,219 --> 00:48:23,980
I knew I wasn't getting enough sleep.

516
00:48:23,980 --> 00:48:29,579
And yet, I felt fairly wide awake and alert on most of the days, except two days I was talking about.

517
00:48:30,780 --> 00:48:33,260
But sleeping to me was a very insecure experience.

518
00:48:35,179 --> 00:48:38,460
And how do you mean, because of this wanting something,

519
00:48:38,460 --> 00:48:43,179
wanting to feel like you, the best I could say, feel like you were in a bed,

520
00:48:43,179 --> 00:48:47,739
wanting to feel suppression, or to be lying on something.

521
00:48:47,739 --> 00:49:02,219
It was a pleasant experience to be in zero G during the daytime, I thought.

522
00:49:02,380 --> 00:49:04,699
It wasn't quite some pleasant experience at night.

523
00:49:05,500 --> 00:49:07,420
Well, that brings up the thing.

524
00:49:07,420 --> 00:49:10,380
Did you feel, I'd get it from Al's comments in particular,

525
00:49:11,099 --> 00:49:17,019
this business of using your legs and your feet to try and hang on to something,

526
00:49:17,019 --> 00:49:20,460
which has been described by other guys, too, at some length.

527
00:49:22,139 --> 00:49:27,260
Did you have a feeling that that was the cause of this muscle business in your back more than,

528
00:49:27,260 --> 00:49:31,019
because you know, that's been described, and they've never been able to really put a hand on the

529
00:49:31,019 --> 00:49:35,820
line they felt for the hand that they've had this sort of feeling that if they could just stretch

530
00:49:35,820 --> 00:49:37,019
that real good, it'd be great.

531
00:49:37,019 --> 00:49:41,179
You think it is due to the fact that you had, we're trying to rock on the summer.

532
00:49:41,179 --> 00:49:41,980
Thank you, Jack.

533
00:49:41,980 --> 00:49:45,659
Yeah, as soon as that's why I analyzed it after the first couple of days,

534
00:49:45,659 --> 00:49:49,099
I think we discussed it in that fact, and so we started exercise,

535
00:49:49,099 --> 00:49:54,380
and then deliberately take time to relax, not only during the sleep period,

536
00:49:54,380 --> 00:49:59,500
but also try to adapt ourselves to a relaxed state during the awake periods

537
00:49:59,500 --> 00:50:03,099
of the states or on the optics or in the tunnel or something.

538
00:50:03,099 --> 00:50:05,260
And after the second day, it kind of went away.

539
00:50:05,260 --> 00:50:09,340
Yeah, that small of the back problem was gone after a couple of days,

540
00:50:09,340 --> 00:50:15,019
and in fact, I was kind of surprised that at that woke up that first morning,

541
00:50:15,739 --> 00:50:18,059
and my back had bothered me during the night,

542
00:50:18,059 --> 00:50:25,900
and I didn't realize that Alan Ed's head back was bothering at that time, too, you know,

543
00:50:25,900 --> 00:50:28,539
and I said, you know, I really didn't get that much sleep,

544
00:50:28,539 --> 00:50:35,179
but this sounds crazy as all hell, because I can lay on that big fine

545
00:50:35,179 --> 00:50:38,860
king size bed at the house, and if I get a lot of sleep,

546
00:50:38,860 --> 00:50:41,340
you know, if I lay there for, say, 10 or 11 hours,

547
00:50:41,340 --> 00:50:45,739
why the small of my back bothers me, and I said to these guys,

548
00:50:45,739 --> 00:50:48,460
I said, hey, this is crazy, I didn't sleep that much last night,

549
00:50:48,460 --> 00:50:51,500
but my back feels just like I've got about a little hour sleep,

550
00:50:51,500 --> 00:50:54,539
and they said, well, mine does, too, and then we got to talking about it.

551
00:50:55,340 --> 00:51:00,539
And so, but it was there, and it was very conscious to me that first night.

552
00:51:00,539 --> 00:51:05,019
In fact, I thought probably my back kept me going to sleep as much as the new environment,

553
00:51:06,619 --> 00:51:10,139
rather than the zero G, because I was always conscious of my back bothering me.

554
00:51:10,139 --> 00:51:13,579
Did you ever think about taking an aspirin or anything to do with that?

555
00:51:13,579 --> 00:51:15,900
Did you ever take aspirin at all?

556
00:51:15,900 --> 00:51:17,260
For them? For the eight?

557
00:51:18,699 --> 00:51:24,460
I think until the time we discussed it, I was convinced that the reason I was

558
00:51:24,460 --> 00:51:28,300
feeling bad in the back was just not you're in the age,

559
00:51:28,300 --> 00:51:29,980
we're so damn long, you're not full.

560
00:51:29,980 --> 00:51:31,900
I wondered if you wouldn't breathe back.

561
00:51:31,900 --> 00:51:34,940
I did think that, and then after we started discussing it,

562
00:51:34,940 --> 00:51:38,940
I said, well, that may not be the problem, or if so, that's just part of the problem.

563
00:51:38,940 --> 00:51:42,460
Everybody's got it, and I agree without it,

564
00:51:42,460 --> 00:51:45,019
it has something to do with the way you try to use your feet

565
00:51:45,980 --> 00:51:48,059
to stabilize yourself.

566
00:51:48,059 --> 00:51:51,739
And I found, I believe, although I couldn't see myself,

567
00:51:51,739 --> 00:51:55,019
I believe that when I was relaxing in the space frequency of the G,

568
00:51:55,019 --> 00:51:56,619
I was in a curved position,

569
00:51:57,820 --> 00:52:01,340
and it felt good to throw the shoulders back and straighten out,

570
00:52:01,340 --> 00:52:05,099
or to take the extra gem and get some tension on those back muscles.

571
00:52:05,099 --> 00:52:09,099
You tend to assume it's sort of like a fetal position.

572
00:52:09,099 --> 00:52:13,579
If you just totally relax, your legs will tend to float out,

573
00:52:14,139 --> 00:52:16,940
and come up in a sort of a semi-seeds,

574
00:52:16,940 --> 00:52:19,179
and your hands will tend to float out about my fist,

575
00:52:19,179 --> 00:52:20,780
and your back tends to bend down,

576
00:52:20,780 --> 00:52:23,260
so it tends to assume that kind of a position.

577
00:52:23,260 --> 00:52:26,380
If you just let all your muscles go, so you may have any muscle pulled on.

578
00:52:26,380 --> 00:52:31,179
Oh, I'd tell you that one of the good things for that back too is just exactly that position.

579
00:52:31,179 --> 00:52:34,860
Just get yourself up like this, and I know that first night,

580
00:52:34,860 --> 00:52:37,659
when my back was bothering me, I tried to sleep a good bit.

581
00:52:37,659 --> 00:52:41,420
I'd reach down and grab a hold of my booties,

582
00:52:41,420 --> 00:52:46,059
and I would lay there like that with pulling some pressure on my legs,

583
00:52:46,059 --> 00:52:49,420
and it would really help that smaller your back.

584
00:52:49,420 --> 00:52:52,860
Yeah, I found both things either straightening out,

585
00:52:52,860 --> 00:52:54,780
to put some tension on the back muscles,

586
00:52:54,780 --> 00:52:57,820
or as Stu says, double on out every now and pull the other way.

587
00:52:59,579 --> 00:53:01,820
How about when you got back onto the area now,

588
00:53:01,820 --> 00:53:06,940
and you got into a bed then for the first time back on the 1G environment?

589
00:53:06,940 --> 00:53:10,460
Did you have any feeling, did you have the feeling that you were real heavy,

590
00:53:10,460 --> 00:53:12,460
that you were sinking into the bed?

591
00:53:12,460 --> 00:53:14,619
Did you have that when you were on a table or anything,

592
00:53:14,699 --> 00:53:19,500
on an x-ray table or anything, and that's when none of you experienced that.

593
00:53:20,780 --> 00:53:21,820
How about way to close?

594
00:53:22,860 --> 00:53:24,219
Did you have a way to close?

595
00:53:24,219 --> 00:53:30,309
Pants were too heavy, or they were falling or anything like that when you first got back.

596
00:53:30,309 --> 00:53:34,550
Another thing I can remember about laying down on the bunk was it was a good relief

597
00:53:34,550 --> 00:53:37,030
to be able to lay on your stomach.

598
00:53:37,030 --> 00:53:40,789
You know, I generally, I don't know which way I sleep most,

599
00:53:40,789 --> 00:53:43,190
back or stomach or what, but you know,

600
00:53:43,190 --> 00:53:47,989
you always had to impression no matter in what position you are in the spacecraft,

601
00:53:47,989 --> 00:53:48,789
you're on your back.

602
00:53:50,789 --> 00:53:56,469
So, I remember thinking of that, the first thing I laid down in the bunk was I stressed out

603
00:53:56,469 --> 00:53:59,030
on my back, and I thought, gee, I've been in this way for nine days.

604
00:53:59,030 --> 00:53:59,909
I think I'll turn over.

605
00:53:59,909 --> 00:54:01,909
So I rolled over on my stomach.

606
00:54:01,909 --> 00:54:02,789
It felt pretty good.

607
00:54:05,219 --> 00:54:07,460
Did any of you have any dreams at all?

608
00:54:07,460 --> 00:54:09,219
Did you ever dream and find it on?

609
00:54:09,219 --> 00:54:11,860
I did, but I couldn't for the life of it.

610
00:54:12,579 --> 00:54:14,579
Wow, that doesn't matter.

611
00:54:14,579 --> 00:54:15,780
Yeah, I had dreams.

612
00:54:15,780 --> 00:54:18,019
But you did have dream activity at least, wasn't it?

613
00:54:18,019 --> 00:54:20,940
Yeah, it's everything.

614
00:54:20,940 --> 00:54:22,940
Yeah, I think of that heavy feeling just like that.

615
00:54:23,980 --> 00:54:26,780
The other time I noticed it was after we had landed,

616
00:54:26,780 --> 00:54:28,460
we were still in the spacecraft.

617
00:54:28,460 --> 00:54:32,139
We hadn't strapped in the spacecraft for probably around a little bit, not too much.

618
00:54:32,699 --> 00:54:35,579
Got down the LAB right away in the first couple of steps.

619
00:54:36,460 --> 00:54:40,780
Combination of the rocking spacecraft and being in one gig,

620
00:54:41,659 --> 00:54:45,900
for perhaps three seconds, no more than that, certainly.

621
00:54:45,900 --> 00:54:47,019
That was my experience.

622
00:54:47,019 --> 00:54:49,420
Yeah, the start of doing some deep deep ends right away

623
00:54:49,420 --> 00:54:51,980
for maybe 10 to 12 of those babies.

624
00:54:52,940 --> 00:54:55,579
And I was right back home again and continued to feel that way.

625
00:54:55,579 --> 00:54:59,300
No muscle sores, no.

626
00:54:59,300 --> 00:55:02,579
Did you, this feeling that you experienced when you first went down the LAB

627
00:55:02,579 --> 00:55:04,420
was at, was that all over?

628
00:55:04,420 --> 00:55:06,260
Was that just having us in the legs?

629
00:55:06,260 --> 00:55:08,900
Or did you just feel heavy all over for you?

630
00:55:08,900 --> 00:55:10,099
It's just heavy all over.

631
00:55:10,099 --> 00:55:10,820
Just all over.

632
00:55:11,699 --> 00:55:16,099
How about when you, when you first got some G on reentry,

633
00:55:16,099 --> 00:55:17,460
did you have a sensation?

634
00:55:17,460 --> 00:55:20,260
Do you have a lot more G than you really ran a string?

635
00:55:20,260 --> 00:55:23,860
I don't remember anything over 2G, was that supposed to?

636
00:55:27,780 --> 00:55:29,619
These two guys were, you know that.

637
00:55:31,619 --> 00:55:32,420
You like them?

638
00:55:32,420 --> 00:55:33,780
No, everybody else is done?

639
00:55:36,579 --> 00:55:39,860
No, I think you become very sensitive to

640
00:55:40,659 --> 00:55:46,179
G, like even, even Ollie, John, in the spacecraft, you know, or

641
00:55:49,300 --> 00:55:51,699
well that'd be, guess on time, you'd really feel a G would be

642
00:55:51,699 --> 00:55:55,460
the only, as well as the SPS engine, of course, you know it.

643
00:55:55,460 --> 00:55:58,659
But on reentry, certainly, you know, as you're going through 1G,

644
00:55:59,539 --> 00:56:01,380
it certainly doesn't seem like 1G.

645
00:56:01,380 --> 00:56:03,940
It's, you're sensitive to the G.

646
00:56:04,420 --> 00:56:08,579
So he said, I wasn't quite as busy during that initial

647
00:56:08,579 --> 00:56:10,260
period as they were.

648
00:56:10,260 --> 00:56:13,059
I didn't have cracking tasks to keep me occupied.

649
00:56:14,099 --> 00:56:18,019
I probably felt it more, or it was 5-7 more than they were,

650
00:56:18,019 --> 00:56:19,860
and it felt to me like one hell of a load.

651
00:56:22,820 --> 00:56:26,420
In particular, my one task was to be watching the time.

652
00:56:26,420 --> 00:56:28,820
I couldn't get my arm up to see the watches,

653
00:56:28,820 --> 00:56:30,659
until I had to repeat G let off.

654
00:56:30,739 --> 00:56:34,420
And I'm about 4 or 5G, I could pull my arm up and take a look at it again.

655
00:56:35,619 --> 00:56:37,539
And I had the same sensation that I did.

656
00:56:38,900 --> 00:56:41,940
Right after I got out of the couch, I felt very, very heavy.

657
00:56:42,659 --> 00:56:46,179
And then with just a little bit of motion, it seemed to go away.

658
00:56:46,820 --> 00:56:50,820
And I'd say it kind of described a very sharp rise,

659
00:56:51,619 --> 00:56:56,019
the return normal, the very sharp rise and then an asymptotic to 1G,

660
00:56:56,019 --> 00:56:59,139
because I still stumbled a couple of times getting out of the helicopter.

661
00:56:59,139 --> 00:57:04,900
But I felt fine, except I just didn't have the sureness of footing that I would like to have.

662
00:57:04,900 --> 00:57:08,659
And that didn't last as far as footing, you know,

663
00:57:08,659 --> 00:57:13,300
that's a interesting thing that the Russians had after their 18 day by the answer.

664
00:57:15,059 --> 00:57:17,940
Mobility problems that lasted for days.

665
00:57:17,940 --> 00:57:21,699
And you didn't have, we've never had anything of that.

666
00:57:21,699 --> 00:57:24,099
We've always had some initial footing problem,

667
00:57:24,099 --> 00:57:27,300
you know, just getting used to being back in the 1G environment.

668
00:57:27,300 --> 00:57:30,019
And then you're on a shift, too, which isn't moving around.

669
00:57:31,860 --> 00:57:35,699
Just didn't last for any of you for longer than a few minutes.

670
00:57:35,699 --> 00:57:36,659
Really getting out of town.

671
00:57:36,659 --> 00:57:38,179
You never felt like head at all.

672
00:57:38,179 --> 00:57:40,099
No, neither died like head at all.

673
00:57:40,099 --> 00:57:42,179
How about putting your feet in the right place?

674
00:57:42,179 --> 00:57:43,539
Did you feel like when you were walking,

675
00:57:43,539 --> 00:57:45,539
did you're walking normally on the,

676
00:57:46,420 --> 00:57:48,340
that your steps were normal and everything?

677
00:57:48,340 --> 00:57:50,340
You didn't have to worry about where your feet were.

678
00:57:50,340 --> 00:57:53,539
No, I think that up to the point we got in the MQF,

679
00:57:54,260 --> 00:58:00,900
I felt that that took a little care to make sure my foot was going for it

680
00:58:00,900 --> 00:58:02,019
was supposed to be going.

681
00:58:02,579 --> 00:58:04,579
But it wasn't out of the ordinary,

682
00:58:05,860 --> 00:58:07,699
you know, really severe anything.

683
00:58:07,699 --> 00:58:07,860
No.

684
00:58:07,860 --> 00:58:11,139
It seemed to be improving very rapidly from a very heavy state

685
00:58:11,139 --> 00:58:14,019
for the first 30 to 45 seconds after I got out of the couch

686
00:58:14,739 --> 00:58:17,780
to within an hour or so after I was in the MQF,

687
00:58:17,780 --> 00:58:19,059
the footing was very short.

688
00:58:19,780 --> 00:58:24,099
But I do remember stumbling once going to the MQF from the helicopter

689
00:58:25,380 --> 00:58:27,139
and I didn't see anything stumbling over.

690
00:58:27,139 --> 00:58:28,420
It just, that stumbling.

691
00:58:29,380 --> 00:58:31,380
You know, I think how you do that right now though,

692
00:58:31,380 --> 00:58:34,340
if you're going to walk out of that door with a television camera

693
00:58:34,340 --> 00:58:36,900
and you're going to walk up to the front steps,

694
00:58:36,900 --> 00:58:38,739
you'd be more conscious of your footing.

695
00:58:38,739 --> 00:58:40,980
You'd be more conscious of your footing,

696
00:58:40,980 --> 00:58:42,820
whether or not you'd been in zero G or not.

697
00:58:42,820 --> 00:58:44,420
Sure, if you're carrying a load,

698
00:58:44,420 --> 00:58:46,019
you're going to look very carefully.

699
00:58:46,019 --> 00:58:48,099
Where are you saying you want to get knocked down?

700
00:58:48,179 --> 00:58:50,820
Yeah, and you in particular know that, you know,

701
00:58:50,820 --> 00:58:52,179
you've just come back from a flight

702
00:58:52,179 --> 00:58:54,900
and people are going to be watching how you're walking

703
00:58:54,900 --> 00:58:56,179
and all of this stuff.

704
00:58:56,179 --> 00:58:57,539
So, you know, it's in your mind,

705
00:58:57,539 --> 00:59:00,340
and you know, you've got to walk this 30 feet to the MQF.

706
00:59:00,340 --> 00:59:03,860
So just naturally, you're more conscious of where you're going to put you.

707
00:59:03,860 --> 00:59:07,300
Well, I may have psyched myself in the stumbling for that reason,

708
00:59:07,300 --> 00:59:08,500
but nevertheless I did stumble.

709
00:59:10,340 --> 00:59:13,619
That's better than the fact that I was conscious of the fact

710
00:59:13,619 --> 00:59:14,820
that TV cameras were on.

711
00:59:15,699 --> 00:59:22,739
Did you notice any distortion of your facial features at all?

712
00:59:22,739 --> 00:59:27,219
Did you, when you look at the TV, the Infight TV,

713
00:59:27,219 --> 00:59:30,019
as we watched you, you know, when inside of a spacecraft,

714
00:59:31,539 --> 00:59:35,699
you get the impression that your faces are not like they are now,

715
00:59:35,699 --> 00:59:40,659
that they're much rounder, that that's a thing you see on the TV.

716
00:59:40,659 --> 00:59:41,460
Is that true?

717
00:59:41,460 --> 00:59:44,340
Is that, did you feel that when you were looking at each other?

718
00:59:45,059 --> 00:59:49,219
I observed that when I saw a picture of us taking from that TV,

719
00:59:49,219 --> 00:59:51,860
and I didn't think anything about it until you mentioned it.

720
00:59:51,860 --> 00:59:53,780
It looks quite around.

721
00:59:53,780 --> 00:59:57,380
You look much different than you do now.

722
00:59:57,380 --> 00:59:59,300
It takes it very rounded,

723
00:59:59,300 --> 01:00:01,940
but you weren't aware of that looking at each other.

724
01:00:03,940 --> 01:00:07,539
Al Vain has made a comment of that in the 12 report

725
01:00:07,539 --> 01:00:09,300
that actually got indoor, but he looked around

726
01:00:09,300 --> 01:00:11,860
and everybody looked 20 pounds heavier,

727
01:00:11,860 --> 01:00:12,820
and I remember that.

728
01:00:15,300 --> 01:00:19,059
I looked at these guys, and they looked just as bad then as they did now.

729
01:00:19,059 --> 01:00:24,019
I remember that comment from Al Vain's report,

730
01:00:24,019 --> 01:00:25,699
and I really didn't notice it.

731
01:00:25,699 --> 01:00:27,380
They were, the 12 crew, I guess,

732
01:00:27,380 --> 01:00:29,780
been the one that was the most impressed with that of anybody,

733
01:00:29,780 --> 01:00:33,300
and they know that they felt even that they had redness of the face

734
01:00:33,300 --> 01:00:37,059
for several hours after they first achieved orbit.

735
01:00:37,059 --> 01:00:41,849
Well, it's a general feeling of fullness, I guess.

736
01:00:41,849 --> 01:00:45,369
But I mean, just to look at a person and see his face puffed up,

737
01:00:45,690 --> 01:00:47,849
I didn't notice that at all.

738
01:00:47,849 --> 01:00:49,929
Maybe it was just life about observation.

739
01:00:49,929 --> 01:00:51,690
But, yeah.

740
01:00:51,690 --> 01:00:53,289
I remember for the first five hours,

741
01:00:53,289 --> 01:00:55,369
when we were too busy doing other things.

742
01:00:55,369 --> 01:00:56,329
That's very good.

743
01:00:56,329 --> 01:01:01,610
Did you have any sensation that in the first 24 hours in flight

744
01:01:01,610 --> 01:01:04,889
that you urinated more than you normally would,

745
01:01:04,889 --> 01:01:06,570
then you did the rest of the flight time?

746
01:01:09,369 --> 01:01:11,289
That's a hard thing to remember,

747
01:01:11,289 --> 01:01:14,329
but do you have any idea that you didn't know?

748
01:01:14,329 --> 01:01:16,010
When I was at first without at all,

749
01:01:16,010 --> 01:01:18,010
I never used my U-C-T-A.

750
01:01:18,889 --> 01:01:20,730
That first one was a walker, I know that.

751
01:01:23,050 --> 01:01:25,690
Of course, you get a lot of excitement to make it a walker anyway,

752
01:01:25,690 --> 01:01:26,730
so it's hard.

753
01:01:26,730 --> 01:01:29,940
Now, no real...

754
01:01:29,940 --> 01:01:33,139
No real one way or the other on that, is it?

755
01:01:33,139 --> 01:01:34,340
Okay.

756
01:01:35,940 --> 01:01:40,099
Was the, can you come in on the work that you did,

757
01:01:40,099 --> 01:01:44,500
EVA out on the lunar surface as far as what you,

758
01:01:44,500 --> 01:01:47,460
you felt, based on versus your ground training.

759
01:01:47,460 --> 01:01:50,739
You think it was harder, easier, about the same.

760
01:01:50,739 --> 01:01:53,300
And secondly, as a second question to that,

761
01:01:53,300 --> 01:01:58,179
did either of you feel really physically tired

762
01:01:58,179 --> 01:02:00,579
to the point that you knew that you were really tired

763
01:02:00,579 --> 01:02:01,940
during the EVA?

764
01:02:01,940 --> 01:02:06,820
Is even going out and coming.

765
01:02:06,820 --> 01:02:09,619
I felt, of course, it was an order of begging

766
01:02:09,619 --> 01:02:11,860
through the easier than one thing training.

767
01:02:11,860 --> 01:02:14,659
Just no comparison at all as we expected it to be.

768
01:02:15,460 --> 01:02:22,179
And as far as being tired, I think I had already made up my mind

769
01:02:22,900 --> 01:02:27,699
that I did not want to sweat in on the move

770
01:02:27,699 --> 01:02:30,340
that I was going to keep the water up,

771
01:02:30,340 --> 01:02:32,179
and I was going to keep resting enough

772
01:02:32,179 --> 01:02:36,500
so that I didn't sweat for consumables and for fatigue purposes.

773
01:02:37,139 --> 01:02:39,139
So I never really felt tired.

774
01:02:39,139 --> 01:02:42,659
I did feel occasionally that I was approaching the point

775
01:02:42,659 --> 01:02:44,900
where I'd have to have more cooling or take a break.

776
01:02:45,860 --> 01:02:47,619
But it wasn't because of a tired feeling.

777
01:02:47,619 --> 01:02:51,300
It was the desire to program and play in consumables

778
01:02:51,300 --> 01:02:52,340
the way we wanted to.

779
01:02:52,340 --> 01:02:53,860
And not behind them.

780
01:02:53,860 --> 01:02:56,820
So I felt in my mind that I was stopping

781
01:02:56,820 --> 01:03:00,500
sure to the point of fatigue as a direct plan

782
01:03:01,539 --> 01:03:03,139
of not wanting to use up consumables.

783
01:03:03,940 --> 01:03:04,739
How am I EVA?

784
01:03:05,780 --> 01:03:07,940
Well, it's kind of hard to quite briefly

785
01:03:07,940 --> 01:03:09,539
like stuff with flexing.

786
01:03:09,539 --> 01:03:13,780
First of all, it's not using the LCG and the brake flexing.

787
01:03:13,780 --> 01:03:15,460
You're lifting one essentially one G.

788
01:03:16,420 --> 01:03:16,820
Yeah.

789
01:03:16,820 --> 01:03:18,500
These are the equipment around some of them.

790
01:03:19,460 --> 01:03:21,539
So it's pretty hard to get quite the two of them on

791
01:03:22,340 --> 01:03:24,099
as to whether it was harder or easier

792
01:03:24,099 --> 01:03:27,300
and even with like one of the standpoints of total workup.

793
01:03:29,539 --> 01:03:32,579
But certainly, the standpoint of ease and mobility

794
01:03:32,579 --> 01:03:34,900
so on as Ed says, it's a lot easier to get around

795
01:03:34,900 --> 01:03:37,059
and I think you travel off faster or easier

796
01:03:37,460 --> 01:03:39,860
on the lowly surface because the general comment is far off.

797
01:03:41,300 --> 01:03:44,179
EVA 1, I did not feel uncomfortable at any time at all.

798
01:03:45,460 --> 01:03:50,179
EVA 2, I think the fact that I was aware of the workload

799
01:03:50,179 --> 01:03:53,699
was manifested primarily in the respiration rate

800
01:03:53,699 --> 01:03:54,900
as opposed to EVLs.

801
01:03:55,539 --> 01:04:02,019
I didn't feel as though the body heat was going up too much.

802
01:04:02,019 --> 01:04:03,699
The deep body was going up too much.

803
01:04:03,699 --> 01:04:06,260
I think this is primarily because of the circulating fluid.

804
01:04:07,059 --> 01:04:12,980
The LCG and I was not aware of any preface from the sweating

805
01:04:13,780 --> 01:04:16,500
just a little thing to change it

806
01:04:17,380 --> 01:04:19,539
of sweating, of blushing, what are you going to call it.

807
01:04:19,539 --> 01:04:21,940
It's when I went to the medium floor on the water.

808
01:04:22,980 --> 01:04:24,980
So I think in question, I really were

809
01:04:24,980 --> 01:04:27,300
if I increase in heart rate, the energy

810
01:04:27,300 --> 01:04:29,940
specifically stopped the measure somehow.

811
01:04:30,500 --> 01:04:33,460
So I think to me the thing was most obvious about

812
01:04:34,420 --> 01:04:37,139
the increased workload was the respiration rate.

813
01:04:37,940 --> 01:04:40,099
And the times I think we suggested to come in

814
01:04:40,099 --> 01:04:45,340
to steepest grade of the period that we stopped and take a rest.

815
01:04:45,340 --> 01:04:46,699
And if you also suggest that.

816
01:04:46,699 --> 01:04:47,340
Right.

817
01:04:47,340 --> 01:04:53,179
But the standpoint of being tied to the degree

818
01:04:53,179 --> 01:04:56,380
where we didn't want to press on after short rest of the period

819
01:04:56,380 --> 01:05:00,219
and know how to feel at any time until after the two days

820
01:05:00,219 --> 01:05:02,619
was over and we were back in the command

821
01:05:02,619 --> 01:05:07,579
and it really felt like I was behind the helicopter

822
01:05:07,579 --> 01:05:09,579
as far as the total workload.

823
01:05:11,530 --> 01:05:14,250
Well, we'll try and give you some firm feeling

824
01:05:14,250 --> 01:05:18,409
for what happened with your EVAs when we do this later.

825
01:05:18,409 --> 01:05:20,730
You know, we can show you actually what you know,

826
01:05:20,730 --> 01:05:22,889
you did have some times where you both got heart rates

827
01:05:22,889 --> 01:05:27,369
that were up to 150 or you, and this is why we felt

828
01:05:27,369 --> 01:05:29,929
and your respiratory rates were very audible

829
01:05:29,929 --> 01:05:33,449
and we didn't have a respiration trace on you at that time as you know.

830
01:05:33,530 --> 01:05:37,130
But you did have very audible respiratory rates

831
01:05:37,130 --> 01:05:40,010
and it was obviously you were increasing those.

832
01:05:40,010 --> 01:05:44,570
And now I think you begin to store.

833
01:05:44,570 --> 01:05:48,969
I think you, the thing is you kept yours on men for a long time

834
01:05:48,969 --> 01:05:53,050
and then when you did turn up to medium flow

835
01:05:53,050 --> 01:05:55,050
you just left it there a short period of time

836
01:05:55,050 --> 01:05:57,929
and it didn't, it didn't kick your rate down as much

837
01:05:57,929 --> 01:06:00,889
because you still were maintaining some of that heat in there now.

838
01:06:00,889 --> 01:06:02,650
It wasn't enough to make you sweat apparently.

839
01:06:02,730 --> 01:06:05,929
And then when you started doing that turning it on a little bit longer

840
01:06:05,929 --> 01:06:09,050
each time you just, it just settled right back down

841
01:06:09,050 --> 01:06:10,570
you didn't have any trouble with it at all.

842
01:06:10,570 --> 01:06:12,570
But both of you came down very well.

843
01:06:12,570 --> 01:06:14,969
When you would rest your rates dropped down

844
01:06:14,969 --> 01:06:16,809
and that's contrary to what happened on 12

845
01:06:16,809 --> 01:06:18,889
where they didn't drop down when they rested

846
01:06:18,889 --> 01:06:20,570
and yours, yours did very well.

847
01:06:21,289 --> 01:06:23,610
They just dropped, they come right on down

848
01:06:23,610 --> 01:06:25,769
as soon as you stopped doing that activity.

849
01:06:26,570 --> 01:06:27,530
So that's it.

850
01:06:28,570 --> 01:06:30,250
You have a feeling that you could have, but

851
01:06:31,210 --> 01:06:33,289
you have a feeling any recommendation

852
01:06:33,289 --> 01:06:35,050
about extending EVAs now.

853
01:06:35,050 --> 01:06:37,130
I mean, do you feel it would be possible

854
01:06:37,130 --> 01:06:39,130
with proper, proper consumables?

855
01:06:39,130 --> 01:06:41,210
Of course that, that you could,

856
01:06:41,210 --> 01:06:43,449
that it's physically possible to do that.

857
01:06:44,090 --> 01:06:45,050
I sure do.

858
01:06:45,050 --> 01:06:48,730
And the thing that bothered me was worrying about consumables.

859
01:06:48,730 --> 01:06:53,050
I'm knowing that we were getting a higher metabolic load,

860
01:06:53,050 --> 01:06:55,369
the higher heart rate, more oxygen consumption,

861
01:06:55,369 --> 01:06:57,210
going out to home crater

862
01:06:57,210 --> 01:06:59,929
and that I was spending more time on

863
01:07:00,010 --> 01:07:02,329
between minimum and intermediate cooling

864
01:07:03,610 --> 01:07:05,530
because we were rushing deliberately,

865
01:07:05,530 --> 01:07:06,969
rushing to kind of make up time.

866
01:07:07,530 --> 01:07:09,289
I started worrying about consumables

867
01:07:09,849 --> 01:07:12,730
and especially in the water in the oxygen.

868
01:07:12,730 --> 01:07:16,090
And I felt I was a limiting factor.

869
01:07:16,090 --> 01:07:18,090
I didn't feel that I was a limiting factor.

870
01:07:19,050 --> 01:07:21,690
Just the oxygen in the water I was consuming

871
01:07:21,690 --> 01:07:22,650
were bothering me.

872
01:07:23,289 --> 01:07:25,130
Well, we tried to give you the word that,

873
01:07:25,130 --> 01:07:26,489
you know, that you were pretty fat,

874
01:07:26,489 --> 01:07:27,769
consumables really at the time.

875
01:07:27,769 --> 01:07:29,690
We thought you were trying to save consumables

876
01:07:29,849 --> 01:07:31,610
but we did, we weren't.

877
01:07:31,610 --> 01:07:34,329
Yeah, and it would understandably so.

878
01:07:34,329 --> 01:07:37,050
And so we wanted you to know that you had enough

879
01:07:37,050 --> 01:07:38,730
and you could go to medium flow

880
01:07:38,730 --> 01:07:40,489
without really getting yourself in a hole

881
01:07:40,489 --> 01:07:41,849
with the thing you wouldn't even know.

882
01:07:41,849 --> 01:07:43,050
And after you did that,

883
01:07:43,050 --> 01:07:44,730
I spent considerably more time on

884
01:07:45,769 --> 01:07:48,010
between minimum and intermediate cooling.

885
01:07:48,010 --> 01:07:49,849
Yeah, let's go it down.

886
01:07:49,849 --> 01:07:51,449
Yeah, you both did.

887
01:07:51,449 --> 01:07:52,250
It's different.

888
01:07:52,250 --> 01:07:54,489
I don't think that the comment is

889
01:07:54,730 --> 01:07:57,449
just like the comment about how the workbook

890
01:07:57,449 --> 01:08:00,650
was expecting to the two-day period.

891
01:08:00,650 --> 01:08:03,929
I wouldn't want to see a crew ever plan

892
01:08:03,929 --> 01:08:05,929
to do any more than we did most of them.

893
01:08:05,929 --> 01:08:09,130
For us, I think that's a much heavier workbook

894
01:08:09,130 --> 01:08:10,329
than anybody ought to do.

895
01:08:10,329 --> 01:08:11,769
And certainly, if you're going to go off

896
01:08:11,769 --> 01:08:12,969
from along the crazy VBA,

897
01:08:12,969 --> 01:08:14,969
you've got to allow along the crazy rest.

898
01:08:14,969 --> 01:08:18,090
And make sure somehow that they get the rest.

899
01:08:18,090 --> 01:08:19,449
Yeah, just allowing the time

900
01:08:19,449 --> 01:08:21,289
wasn't necessarily a sure rest.

901
01:08:21,289 --> 01:08:22,250
Well, tell me.

902
01:08:22,250 --> 01:08:24,729
If you had, you know, in the NLM,

903
01:08:24,729 --> 01:08:27,289
I gather one of the things that you think would help,

904
01:08:27,289 --> 01:08:28,810
of course, would be getting out of suit.

905
01:08:28,810 --> 01:08:29,930
That certainly would help.

906
01:08:29,930 --> 01:08:31,529
If you could get out of suit in the LEM,

907
01:08:31,529 --> 01:08:33,210
no question about that.

908
01:08:33,210 --> 01:08:35,930
If you had something for sleep, would you take it?

909
01:08:35,930 --> 01:08:37,689
Would you guys have taken the LEM

910
01:08:37,689 --> 01:08:40,090
if you had some for sleep in things?

911
01:08:40,090 --> 01:08:42,489
I don't think so, because I don't think I don't

912
01:08:42,489 --> 01:08:43,210
want to advise you.

913
01:08:43,210 --> 01:08:46,010
I don't take that kind of medication here in the ground.

914
01:08:46,010 --> 01:08:47,369
It's an individual thing,

915
01:08:47,369 --> 01:08:50,409
and quite obviously, you know, it just depends on you.

916
01:08:50,409 --> 01:08:52,170
If you had any things that's possibly

917
01:08:52,170 --> 01:08:53,930
in space, you can't really run environments

918
01:08:53,930 --> 01:08:55,529
probably in a way, everybody would run.

919
01:08:55,529 --> 01:08:57,529
So if you have people who do that in the ground,

920
01:08:57,529 --> 01:08:59,770
you can help them.

921
01:08:59,770 --> 01:09:02,250
I prefer to see us using more natural means

922
01:09:02,250 --> 01:09:04,409
of getting the sleep, as opposed to an artificial.

923
01:09:04,409 --> 01:09:06,569
You'd like to ask something to sleep off, please.

924
01:09:06,569 --> 01:09:08,170
Yeah.

925
01:09:08,170 --> 01:09:09,289
Back to that.

926
01:09:09,289 --> 01:09:10,489
I think the suit's a big thing,

927
01:09:10,489 --> 01:09:11,689
as far as I was concerned.

928
01:09:11,689 --> 01:09:12,489
Yeah.

929
01:09:12,489 --> 01:09:13,369
And keep on coming up.

930
01:09:13,369 --> 01:09:15,050
You could roll around.

931
01:09:15,050 --> 01:09:17,689
You know, even you could roll around in the hammock

932
01:09:17,689 --> 01:09:20,250
and then the hammock ring would get back to the neck.

933
01:09:20,250 --> 01:09:21,050
Yeah.

934
01:09:21,050 --> 01:09:22,010
It's comfortable.

935
01:09:22,010 --> 01:09:25,449
There was one thing to talk about the fatigue.

936
01:09:25,449 --> 01:09:28,810
The only thing that I felt fatigue, any muscles I felt,

937
01:09:28,810 --> 01:09:31,449
the tape was a darn hand muscle on the right hand,

938
01:09:31,449 --> 01:09:32,970
because of the sit-out of that blood.

939
01:09:32,970 --> 01:09:34,250
Because you were fighting that blood?

940
01:09:34,250 --> 01:09:35,210
Yeah.

941
01:09:35,210 --> 01:09:39,130
And working the cord tubes, getting unscrewing the cord tubes,

942
01:09:39,130 --> 01:09:41,529
what if I couldn't get by myself,

943
01:09:41,529 --> 01:09:43,689
getting the caps off of it.

944
01:09:43,689 --> 01:09:46,649
That was very fatiging, and at R&D about it.

945
01:09:46,649 --> 01:09:48,569
How about when you're carrying a barbell out there,

946
01:09:48,569 --> 01:09:49,449
you're getting this thing.

947
01:09:49,449 --> 01:09:50,569
You said you had to do it well.

948
01:09:50,569 --> 01:09:51,609
Well, that was tiring.

949
01:09:51,609 --> 01:09:53,130
It just because it's so cumbersome

950
01:09:53,130 --> 01:09:54,569
that it was flopping all around.

951
01:09:54,569 --> 01:09:57,369
But I eventually put it across my arms like that,

952
01:09:57,369 --> 01:10:00,890
and just aside from the workload of carrying it out,

953
01:10:00,890 --> 01:10:02,010
there's no problem.

954
01:10:02,010 --> 01:10:02,970
It was heavy.

955
01:10:02,970 --> 01:10:05,369
Was the weight different, seemed different,

956
01:10:05,369 --> 01:10:07,050
because you commented at the time,

957
01:10:07,050 --> 01:10:09,689
and it looked like you were having trouble

958
01:10:09,689 --> 01:10:10,890
getting out there with, I think,

959
01:10:10,890 --> 01:10:12,170
was it the weight of it?

960
01:10:12,170 --> 01:10:14,409
Or was it just the fact that it was vibrating?

961
01:10:14,409 --> 01:10:15,689
And it was sort of like the fatigue of it.

962
01:10:15,689 --> 01:10:18,729
It was mostly the vibration of it, just the flopping of it.

963
01:10:18,729 --> 01:10:19,529
Flopping of it.

964
01:10:19,529 --> 01:10:24,649
However, I think that it was heavier than I expected

965
01:10:24,649 --> 01:10:27,130
from the 1-6G mockup.

966
01:10:27,130 --> 01:10:31,850
But we had never carried it that far in training,

967
01:10:31,850 --> 01:10:33,609
and I think we made that recommendation.

968
01:10:33,609 --> 01:10:37,890
At least once the guys on a carry it the whole way.

969
01:10:37,890 --> 01:10:40,569
But it was primarily the flopping of those weights

970
01:10:40,569 --> 01:10:45,140
on the end that were giving trouble.

971
01:10:45,140 --> 01:10:49,819
Let's get the idea that, on this bowel movement thing,

972
01:10:49,819 --> 01:10:53,140
the preps and so forth, you had a good comment in there

973
01:10:53,140 --> 01:10:55,140
that that went fairly well.

974
01:10:55,140 --> 01:10:56,300
You all did the same thing.

975
01:10:56,300 --> 01:10:59,060
We knew pre-flight anyway.

976
01:10:59,060 --> 01:11:00,420
How did it work out, though?

977
01:11:00,420 --> 01:11:04,300
I think you remember, can you just tell us each one how you went?

978
01:11:04,300 --> 01:11:05,659
I get rid of it, but almost at the end,

979
01:11:05,659 --> 01:11:09,020
without having one, according to a comment.

980
01:11:09,020 --> 01:11:10,779
Where did you go?

981
01:11:10,779 --> 01:11:11,939
Where did you do it?

982
01:11:12,060 --> 01:11:13,060
Yeah.

983
01:11:16,579 --> 01:11:18,619
I went to the morning of the 8th day.

984
01:11:18,619 --> 01:11:22,420
To the morning of the 8th day, it was the first one.

985
01:11:22,420 --> 01:11:25,819
And that's the only one I assume.

986
01:11:25,819 --> 01:11:27,100
I didn't plan it that way.

987
01:11:27,100 --> 01:11:31,340
What I wanted to do was to have one bowel movement

988
01:11:31,340 --> 01:11:33,659
before we went to the surface.

989
01:11:33,659 --> 01:11:37,180
So that would take care of that period of time.

990
01:11:37,260 --> 01:11:43,979
And I went around with a bag on my family for about 12 hours.

991
01:11:43,979 --> 01:11:46,460
Hopefully I can do something and never do it.

992
01:11:46,460 --> 01:11:50,140
And at one point, I even wished that we had a lecture

993
01:11:50,140 --> 01:11:54,100
and it would be important to help me do that.

994
01:11:54,100 --> 01:11:55,899
I'm not sure if that's a good idea or not,

995
01:11:55,899 --> 01:11:58,300
but it sure seemed like it at the time.

996
01:11:58,300 --> 01:12:03,779
And I was really concerned that I need

997
01:12:03,779 --> 01:12:06,260
to have a bowel movement while we're on the surface.

998
01:12:06,260 --> 01:12:10,100
And I got through that period, figured, well,

999
01:12:10,100 --> 01:12:11,859
we got it made.

1000
01:12:11,859 --> 01:12:14,420
Be good to get back to the main module and use them.

1001
01:12:14,420 --> 01:12:16,420
Bag, and I still couldn't.

1002
01:12:16,420 --> 01:12:18,380
It was the late day.

1003
01:12:18,380 --> 01:12:19,739
And that was the one for it.

1004
01:12:19,739 --> 01:12:22,060
Did you ever get any clamps or anything with them?

1005
01:12:22,060 --> 01:12:23,260
No, I never had any.

1006
01:12:23,260 --> 01:12:26,020
You got that service at all, and it's fine.

1007
01:12:26,020 --> 01:12:26,899
I wasn't uncomfortable.

1008
01:12:26,899 --> 01:12:29,899
I didn't even have a feeling of fullness.

1009
01:12:29,899 --> 01:12:30,739
How about you, Al?

1010
01:12:30,739 --> 01:12:33,939
How'd your cycle go?

1011
01:12:33,939 --> 01:12:50,649
I had one and a half bags.

1012
01:12:50,649 --> 01:12:53,569
And no problem, Mr. Mead, there were normal consistency

1013
01:12:53,569 --> 01:12:55,010
in sort of this part.

1014
01:12:55,010 --> 01:12:56,449
That's really uncivilized.

1015
01:12:56,449 --> 01:12:58,449
That I agree with you.

1016
01:12:58,449 --> 01:13:03,289
We've got to fight better, but the whole hygiene thing

1017
01:13:03,289 --> 01:13:06,729
and this thing is so archaic and unbelievable.

1018
01:13:06,729 --> 01:13:09,130
And we just got to do better in that if we're

1019
01:13:09,130 --> 01:13:10,329
going to keep people in space.

1020
01:13:10,329 --> 01:13:12,489
Actually, I didn't feel civilized, you know?

1021
01:13:12,489 --> 01:13:14,930
Yeah, I really felt uncivilized during that whole process.

1022
01:13:14,930 --> 01:13:17,130
The whole mess, yeah, as a bee.

1023
01:13:17,130 --> 01:13:19,569
And the ability to clean up afterwards

1024
01:13:19,569 --> 01:13:22,529
and affect as the ability to maintain personal hygiene

1025
01:13:22,529 --> 01:13:27,010
throughout the flight is only what we need better.

1026
01:13:27,010 --> 01:13:28,170
Stu, how about you?

1027
01:13:28,170 --> 01:13:31,010
I went to 80 hours, was the first one.

1028
01:13:31,010 --> 01:13:32,609
I remember distinctly because I said,

1029
01:13:32,609 --> 01:13:34,930
between 80 and 81 hours approaching L.O.I.

1030
01:13:34,930 --> 01:13:36,449
while I'm going to do it.

1031
01:13:36,449 --> 01:13:40,449
And which pleasantly surprised me, too,

1032
01:13:40,449 --> 01:13:44,289
we're on the gory subject because pre-flight

1033
01:13:44,289 --> 01:13:47,409
I anticipated that I might have to use the bag

1034
01:13:47,409 --> 01:13:51,130
more than that because in my normal course of events,

1035
01:13:51,130 --> 01:13:56,210
it's very common for me to hit the head at least twice a day.

1036
01:13:56,210 --> 01:14:01,170
And so I was pleasantly surprised that I got to 80 hours.

1037
01:14:01,170 --> 01:14:05,850
And then I had one other one and it was after TDI.

1038
01:14:05,850 --> 01:14:10,609
I guess the next day after TDI and I don't remember

1039
01:14:10,609 --> 01:14:14,939
what time frame it was.

1040
01:14:14,979 --> 01:14:15,779
Yeah, I guess it was.

1041
01:14:15,779 --> 01:14:18,220
It was the day after TDI.

1042
01:14:18,220 --> 01:14:23,970
And, okay, I don't remember the GT right now.

1043
01:14:23,970 --> 01:14:25,970
I can't even associate with anything

1044
01:14:25,970 --> 01:14:27,289
except these guys and their guests,

1045
01:14:27,289 --> 01:14:29,810
I don't know what else is going on at that time.

1046
01:14:29,810 --> 01:14:31,810
Yeah, these guys.

1047
01:14:34,930 --> 01:14:35,770
Okay.

1048
01:14:39,319 --> 01:14:41,640
When did you first start to use the nose drugs?

1049
01:14:41,640 --> 01:14:43,600
How far into that?

1050
01:14:43,600 --> 01:14:45,439
Do you remember what date?

1051
01:14:45,439 --> 01:14:46,560
Third day with it?

1052
01:14:46,560 --> 01:14:48,359
Three, isn't it?

1053
01:14:48,359 --> 01:14:49,199
Third day.

1054
01:14:49,199 --> 01:14:52,039
And, do you feel that that was a,

1055
01:14:52,039 --> 01:14:54,800
I'm a little bit confused about your description,

1056
01:14:54,800 --> 01:14:56,960
you're describing this fullness.

1057
01:14:56,960 --> 01:14:58,960
And still, do you feel that this was a thing

1058
01:14:58,960 --> 01:15:02,119
that was associated with this fullness

1059
01:15:02,119 --> 01:15:04,279
that was due to the weightlessness

1060
01:15:04,279 --> 01:15:06,800
or do you think it was an oxygen effect?

1061
01:15:06,800 --> 01:15:09,399
Just due to the drying, so forth.

1062
01:15:09,399 --> 01:15:10,920
I never felt that dry.

1063
01:15:12,000 --> 01:15:15,720
And at the time, I thought it could have been either or both.

1064
01:15:15,720 --> 01:15:18,840
And so, I just treated it simply mathematically

1065
01:15:18,840 --> 01:15:21,720
with a couple of, about one drop in each nostril

1066
01:15:21,720 --> 01:15:24,600
that was completely effective for the next 10, 12 hours.

1067
01:15:24,600 --> 01:15:25,680
Well, you could hear it.

1068
01:15:25,680 --> 01:15:26,760
This is a fairly routine.

1069
01:15:26,760 --> 01:15:28,239
You hear this in the guy's voices,

1070
01:15:28,239 --> 01:15:29,359
and you know what they're doing.

1071
01:15:29,359 --> 01:15:32,119
You know, you hear this full feeling that they have.

1072
01:15:32,119 --> 01:15:34,560
Sometimes they get a little bit of horse

1073
01:15:34,560 --> 01:15:36,000
sensation with it too.

1074
01:15:37,000 --> 01:15:38,840
And it comes and goes in that.

1075
01:15:38,840 --> 01:15:40,920
You describe it, I thought very well yesterday.

1076
01:15:40,920 --> 01:15:43,159
Sometimes in the mornings it would be,

1077
01:15:43,159 --> 01:15:45,039
you wake up and be better in the morning.

1078
01:15:46,199 --> 01:15:47,039
You know what, Jack?

1079
01:15:47,039 --> 01:15:47,880
I don't know.

1080
01:15:47,880 --> 01:15:49,760
This is kind of a...

1081
01:15:49,760 --> 01:15:57,359
You've been built in maybe the whole head sensation

1082
01:15:57,359 --> 01:16:00,000
related to a re-testing of the old curry of asthma system

1083
01:16:00,000 --> 01:16:02,600
and therefore, if you could relax a little bit

1084
01:16:02,600 --> 01:16:04,000
in the evening, you know, and help it.

1085
01:16:04,000 --> 01:16:05,239
This is my theory.

1086
01:16:05,239 --> 01:16:06,079
Exactly.

1087
01:16:06,079 --> 01:16:08,479
We kind of wished it that way.

1088
01:16:08,479 --> 01:16:10,560
It's just a general feeling.

1089
01:16:10,560 --> 01:16:13,319
Nothing to substantiate it, but the car is in it.

1090
01:16:13,319 --> 01:16:15,079
And I think as far as the nostrops are concerned,

1091
01:16:15,079 --> 01:16:16,560
it helped with the mucus,

1092
01:16:16,560 --> 01:16:18,680
but it didn't help the overall fullness.

1093
01:16:20,239 --> 01:16:21,880
Did they work all right?

1094
01:16:21,880 --> 01:16:23,680
I know we got a special one, Stu.

1095
01:16:23,680 --> 01:16:25,520
But did they work all right in a minute?

1096
01:16:25,520 --> 01:16:26,359
Did the...

1097
01:16:26,359 --> 01:16:28,520
Just like I'm sure of that, but what I said is clear out there.

1098
01:16:28,520 --> 01:16:33,140
It made it clear out there.

1099
01:16:33,140 --> 01:16:34,619
Yeah.

1100
01:16:34,619 --> 01:16:36,180
And Stu, what about now?

1101
01:16:36,180 --> 01:16:38,579
Did you just give yourself too big a slug?

1102
01:16:38,579 --> 01:16:39,859
Does that what happened to it or...?

1103
01:16:39,859 --> 01:16:41,539
I think I probably did, Chuck.

1104
01:16:41,539 --> 01:16:42,699
I'm sure that's what happened.

1105
01:16:42,699 --> 01:16:45,819
You know, I said, well, I hadn't used any up to land,

1106
01:16:45,819 --> 01:16:49,060
but on entry, you know, I think I'll just use

1107
01:16:49,060 --> 01:16:50,220
some of these beauties.

1108
01:16:50,220 --> 01:16:54,300
And I think I hit, gave me two big of dose

1109
01:16:54,300 --> 01:16:56,699
in the right nostril here, because who am I?

1110
01:16:56,699 --> 01:16:58,659
I started watering, and I could feel it

1111
01:16:58,659 --> 01:17:00,619
with my sonuses and everything else.

1112
01:17:00,619 --> 01:17:04,819
And then, but it lasted maybe an hour.

1113
01:17:04,819 --> 01:17:07,819
And by the time, I guess I probably did that

1114
01:17:07,819 --> 01:17:09,619
a couple of three hours prior to entry.

1115
01:17:09,619 --> 01:17:13,659
And an hour later, you know, I think most of the symptoms

1116
01:17:13,659 --> 01:17:15,779
have gone away, that are you getting closer to entry

1117
01:17:15,779 --> 01:17:17,539
and you stop worrying about it.

1118
01:17:17,539 --> 01:17:21,100
But, yeah, I did, I think I overdid it.

1119
01:17:21,100 --> 01:17:27,899
And I just, you know, I hardly ever take any nose drop

1120
01:17:27,899 --> 01:17:30,260
training, and maybe I just get too much in there.

1121
01:17:30,260 --> 01:17:32,020
And it's probably pretty powerful stuff.

1122
01:17:32,020 --> 01:17:32,779
It is powerful.

1123
01:17:32,779 --> 01:17:36,260
I know if I, in 1G or here, if I take more than a couple

1124
01:17:36,260 --> 01:17:39,659
of drops of Acrid, if I use drops instead of spray,

1125
01:17:39,659 --> 01:17:40,939
I get the same effect.

1126
01:17:40,939 --> 01:17:42,140
Yeah, it's not.

1127
01:17:42,140 --> 01:17:44,340
It's burning in a real dry situation.

1128
01:17:44,340 --> 01:17:46,979
And it wasn't a lack of breathing or not

1129
01:17:46,979 --> 01:17:48,979
trying it before flying or anything like that.

1130
01:17:48,979 --> 01:17:51,979
I think I was just a little overzealous in the application.

1131
01:17:51,979 --> 01:17:54,020
Well, you know, it drops a good, give it four.

1132
01:17:54,020 --> 01:17:56,060
Yeah, what the hell?

1133
01:17:56,060 --> 01:17:56,939
Did you feel it?

1134
01:17:56,939 --> 01:17:59,699
You got any, you get an attack of cardio with that?

1135
01:17:59,699 --> 01:18:02,500
You get a real increase in R-Rate with that?

1136
01:18:02,500 --> 01:18:03,899
Oh, I haven't had the foggest idea.

1137
01:18:03,899 --> 01:18:05,699
You didn't feel it anymore.

1138
01:18:05,699 --> 01:18:06,899
Yeah.

1139
01:18:06,899 --> 01:18:10,460
Yeah, I've had to, you all had to, you all had to,

1140
01:18:10,460 --> 01:18:11,659
talk to a lot more adrenaline.

1141
01:18:11,659 --> 01:18:14,460
He got mad at us for suggesting it.

1142
01:18:14,460 --> 01:18:16,460
Did you use the gun?

1143
01:18:16,460 --> 01:18:17,460
Yeah.

1144
01:18:17,460 --> 01:18:19,460
Yeah, I was digged off at the suggestion.

1145
01:18:19,460 --> 01:18:24,659
Did you all had some evidence in your ears

1146
01:18:24,659 --> 01:18:28,779
on the first exam when Bill saw you

1147
01:18:28,779 --> 01:18:32,140
of having some bubbles in there?

1148
01:18:32,140 --> 01:18:35,180
And did you have any sensation during reentry

1149
01:18:35,180 --> 01:18:36,939
that you were having a trouble clearing your ears

1150
01:18:36,939 --> 01:18:38,699
any of you?

1151
01:18:38,699 --> 01:18:39,539
You know what I'm saying?

1152
01:18:39,539 --> 01:18:40,539
I was probably surprising to me.

1153
01:18:40,539 --> 01:18:42,220
I was looking forward to it, surprisingly.

1154
01:18:42,220 --> 01:18:43,859
Everybody had this, no problem, Bill.

1155
01:18:44,539 --> 01:18:48,020
I could feel the pressure change, but,

1156
01:18:48,020 --> 01:18:49,819
no, I could hear them pop.

1157
01:18:49,819 --> 01:18:51,460
But you know, I could do that too

1158
01:18:51,460 --> 01:18:53,619
on my suit integrity check.

1159
01:18:53,619 --> 01:18:56,100
I could feel the pressure, you know,

1160
01:18:56,100 --> 01:18:58,060
and you just sort of pop it.

1161
01:18:58,060 --> 01:18:59,380
And I may come in before I forget

1162
01:18:59,380 --> 01:19:01,500
about this voice sounding full.

1163
01:19:01,500 --> 01:19:04,500
You know, I noticed that you'll do that a lot

1164
01:19:04,500 --> 01:19:07,819
if you, I think maybe it's because the atmosphere is dry,

1165
01:19:07,819 --> 01:19:09,979
but if you're doing a lot of talking

1166
01:19:09,979 --> 01:19:13,060
and then you come on and I would notice myself sounding,

1167
01:19:13,060 --> 01:19:16,300
sounding full, and I say, gee, I'm sounding like that.

1168
01:19:16,300 --> 01:19:20,180
And my head wasn't a constantly full at all,

1169
01:19:20,180 --> 01:19:22,420
but I could tell in my voice that I was sounding

1170
01:19:22,420 --> 01:19:23,979
here and in your voice.

1171
01:19:23,979 --> 01:19:25,819
If you've been doing a lot of talking.

1172
01:19:25,819 --> 01:19:27,500
Right.

1173
01:19:27,500 --> 01:19:28,340
That's true.

1174
01:19:28,340 --> 01:19:30,699
If you end up just talking on that,

1175
01:19:30,699 --> 01:19:33,260
like if you end up here, like in a session yesterday

1176
01:19:33,260 --> 01:19:36,579
where you talk a lot, you may even have that kind of thing.

1177
01:19:36,579 --> 01:19:40,020
If you just talk a lot during the day, you can have it.

1178
01:19:40,020 --> 01:19:41,979
We don't have too much of us to do it here, Charles.

1179
01:19:41,979 --> 01:19:44,180
Yeah.

1180
01:19:44,180 --> 01:19:45,180
Now we're back with that.

1181
01:19:45,180 --> 01:19:49,579
Hey, Chuck, come in on those asses.

1182
01:19:49,579 --> 01:19:51,819
We're looking for somebody kind of glad.

1183
01:19:51,819 --> 01:19:52,619
Who is it?

1184
01:19:52,619 --> 01:19:55,260
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1185
01:19:55,260 --> 01:19:58,899
Come in on the afterbubble.

1186
01:19:58,899 --> 01:20:00,100
The pressure gets to them.

1187
01:20:00,100 --> 01:20:03,220
And they separate into the Gillian bubbles.

1188
01:20:03,220 --> 01:20:06,460
Not a most of this very bubbly and filled with air.

1189
01:20:06,460 --> 01:20:08,739
And so if you take a cap off, it comes out.

1190
01:20:08,739 --> 01:20:10,899
It starts leaking.

1191
01:20:10,899 --> 01:20:15,779
It's a little bit of salelage, but yeah.

1192
01:20:15,779 --> 01:20:16,779
Okay.

1193
01:20:16,779 --> 01:20:19,340
And it's kind of difficult to control that stuff.

1194
01:20:19,340 --> 01:20:21,460
That was the first time you opened a bottle, right?

1195
01:20:21,460 --> 01:20:22,699
Always, always.

1196
01:20:22,699 --> 01:20:26,649
Every time you open it.

1197
01:20:26,649 --> 01:20:30,020
Yeah.

1198
01:20:30,020 --> 01:20:33,420
Okay, so what technique did you use for finding those drops?

1199
01:20:33,420 --> 01:20:34,899
How did you put them in?

1200
01:20:34,899 --> 01:20:37,100
Very gentle squeeze trying to get just one drop.

1201
01:20:37,100 --> 01:20:39,579
And they're telling about it.

1202
01:20:39,579 --> 01:20:41,060
Just put the drop drop in there.

1203
01:20:41,060 --> 01:20:42,859
Put it in there and hose it.

1204
01:20:43,859 --> 01:20:46,859
Just like we told it to.

1205
01:20:46,859 --> 01:20:50,859
Good boy, right?

1206
01:20:50,859 --> 01:21:01,100
What did you take those PRDs down in your suits?

1207
01:21:01,100 --> 01:21:04,100
You never believe it, Charles.

1208
01:21:04,100 --> 01:21:05,100
We had zipper pockets.

1209
01:21:05,100 --> 01:21:07,100
You're kidding, huh?

1210
01:21:07,100 --> 01:21:09,100
It's unbelievable.

1211
01:21:09,100 --> 01:21:10,100
They were there.

1212
01:21:10,100 --> 01:21:13,100
We pulled out those coveralls and they were zippers on it.

1213
01:21:14,100 --> 01:21:17,100
First time we've seen zippers in the old training site.

1214
01:21:17,100 --> 01:21:19,100
They're not in the training suits.

1215
01:21:19,100 --> 01:21:20,100
They're just on the plates.

1216
01:21:20,100 --> 01:21:22,100
Just on the plate.

1217
01:21:22,100 --> 01:21:24,100
Well, how about that?

1218
01:21:24,100 --> 01:21:25,100
Okay.

1219
01:21:25,100 --> 01:21:30,100
We had requested it way, way back and forgotten about the way we made the official request.

1220
01:21:30,100 --> 01:21:33,100
And it was already in the mail and nobody who put it.

1221
01:21:33,100 --> 01:21:35,100
And now the training devices were that way.

1222
01:21:35,100 --> 01:21:38,100
But lo and behold, all out of the package that came with them.

1223
01:21:38,100 --> 01:21:41,100
That's great.

1224
01:21:41,100 --> 01:21:42,100
They were great too.

1225
01:21:43,100 --> 01:21:52,039
Okay.

1226
01:21:52,039 --> 01:22:00,449
I understand where that is.

1227
01:22:00,449 --> 01:22:11,449
When you remove your PGA's now, is there a point of the checklist where we shouldn't include the removal of the PRDs back into your flight coveralls or is that not there?

1228
01:22:11,449 --> 01:22:14,449
It's already says take all the items out of here.

1229
01:22:14,449 --> 01:22:15,449
Oh, it does.

1230
01:22:15,449 --> 01:22:18,449
That happens to be one that's by itself.

1231
01:22:18,449 --> 01:22:19,449
I see.

1232
01:22:19,449 --> 01:22:22,449
If you forget that extra pocket's there, you forget it.

1233
01:22:22,449 --> 01:22:29,449
Now, it's listed in there when we take the suits off the first day.

1234
01:22:29,449 --> 01:22:46,449
I guess, you know, and then when you bring the suits back over from the land wide, you know, a pretty rough timeline that it wouldn't, I don't know if it's being good to put that in your timeline book or not, because that time your main purpose is to just get the suits and get them stuff.

1235
01:22:46,449 --> 01:22:50,449
And then you jerk them down and kind of zip them up in those banks pretty fast.

1236
01:22:50,449 --> 01:22:53,449
Right into the back.

1237
01:22:53,449 --> 01:22:55,449
Okay.

1238
01:22:55,449 --> 01:22:59,449
Probably wouldn't hurt, I guess, when we list the items, take all of the suits.

1239
01:22:59,449 --> 01:23:03,449
When we come back to the land, we just have PRDs in there, it's another item.

1240
01:23:03,449 --> 01:23:07,449
We have sunglasses and pencils, no risk of that.

1241
01:23:07,449 --> 01:23:08,449
That's what it is.

1242
01:23:08,449 --> 01:23:13,449
You said you use sunglasses.

1243
01:23:13,449 --> 01:23:15,449
You don't only want to get used to sunglasses.

1244
01:23:15,449 --> 01:23:16,449
Is that right?

1245
01:23:16,449 --> 01:23:18,449
I use prescription.

1246
01:23:18,449 --> 01:23:19,449
Correct.

1247
01:23:19,449 --> 01:23:20,449
Oh, okay.

1248
01:23:20,449 --> 01:23:22,449
When did you use the correct one?

1249
01:23:22,449 --> 01:23:26,449
A couple times when I had great small print in the flat one.

1250
01:23:26,449 --> 01:23:29,449
Just in the command module.

1251
01:23:29,449 --> 01:23:32,449
Yeah, with the held off all the time, I didn't use it.

1252
01:23:32,449 --> 01:23:33,449
No, I didn't.

1253
01:23:34,449 --> 01:23:36,449
How do you use it for time and time to see this?

1254
01:23:36,449 --> 01:23:37,449
Particularly in the LMS?

1255
01:23:37,449 --> 01:23:40,449
Yeah, it's I want to get a depth just below that length.

1256
01:23:40,449 --> 01:23:41,449
Yeah.

1257
01:23:41,449 --> 01:23:44,449
Did you have any feeling about that on the lunar surface?

1258
01:23:44,449 --> 01:23:49,449
How it that low, that the light levels were finer, some tree because of that?

1259
01:23:49,449 --> 01:23:51,449
Because that is a very typical thing.

1260
01:23:51,449 --> 01:23:53,449
That's an interesting thing.

1261
01:23:53,449 --> 01:23:57,449
The light levels were generally higher in the little module.

1262
01:23:57,449 --> 01:24:02,449
The thing that you don't simulate on the LMS is the difference between day and night.

1263
01:24:03,449 --> 01:24:12,449
How about out on the surface when you were actually out on the surface and had your visor down?

1264
01:24:12,449 --> 01:24:13,449
Yeah.

1265
01:24:13,449 --> 01:24:15,449
Did those light levels body at all?

1266
01:24:15,449 --> 01:24:19,449
Did you feel that you were having any difficulties in that?

1267
01:24:19,449 --> 01:24:22,760
It's either the problems I have.

1268
01:24:22,760 --> 01:24:24,760
It's with reading small print.

1269
01:24:24,760 --> 01:24:25,760
It was close.

1270
01:24:25,760 --> 01:24:27,760
Yes, it was in the light levels below.

1271
01:24:27,760 --> 01:24:29,760
And I had the problem in the LMS.

1272
01:24:29,760 --> 01:24:32,760
A couple times when you see a mess in the LMS, I think I don't know how many times I broke them up.

1273
01:24:32,760 --> 01:24:34,760
On the bus.

1274
01:24:34,760 --> 01:24:35,760
Yes.

1275
01:24:35,760 --> 01:24:36,760
6 or 8 times.

1276
01:24:36,760 --> 01:24:38,760
We'll try to read down the damn cards.

1277
01:24:38,760 --> 01:24:40,760
It's the best only time I've ever seen you do something like that.

1278
01:24:40,760 --> 01:24:45,760
Yeah, but you know, the surface chuckets either start white, I mean, dazzling white or it's absolutely black.

1279
01:24:45,760 --> 01:24:46,760
It's black.

1280
01:24:46,760 --> 01:24:49,760
I don't think I said that's a great deal of do with that point.

1281
01:24:49,760 --> 01:24:51,760
Yeah, that's right.

1282
01:24:51,760 --> 01:24:56,760
I think you've covered most of that stuff about the vision on the surface, and so it's pretty well in there.

1283
01:24:56,760 --> 01:24:59,760
I think you've done that very well in the solar island.

1284
01:24:59,760 --> 01:25:03,760
We need to, if we have something that comes back up for that, we'll get the word to you.

1285
01:25:03,760 --> 01:25:08,760
But as far as I can tell from getting through all that so far, I think we've got most of that covered.

1286
01:25:08,760 --> 01:25:14,760
You know, I might point out to you if you want to pursue the visibility further for any sort of medical thing.

1287
01:25:14,760 --> 01:25:18,760
If you look at the photographs, it might have been in there exactly what we saw.

1288
01:25:18,760 --> 01:25:19,760
Is that right?

1289
01:25:19,760 --> 01:25:22,760
If you look across Sun, the visibility is great.

1290
01:25:22,760 --> 01:25:26,760
If you look up Sun, everything's layered out by the Sun.

1291
01:25:26,760 --> 01:25:33,760
If you look down Sun, all of the general Sun all rolling and subdued craters, they just disappear on it.

1292
01:25:33,760 --> 01:25:34,760
Yeah.

1293
01:25:34,760 --> 01:25:36,760
But across Sun, visibility is great.

1294
01:25:36,760 --> 01:25:38,760
The photographs are the same way.

1295
01:25:38,760 --> 01:25:40,760
You know, just real brief on it, same subject.

1296
01:25:40,760 --> 01:25:45,760
It's kind of hard to tell when you're looking at just negatives of these 70 millimeters.

1297
01:25:45,760 --> 01:25:51,760
But I was looking at some of the zero-phase pictures last night and how the targets would disappear at zero-phase.

1298
01:25:51,760 --> 01:25:53,760
It does it on the films.

1299
01:25:54,760 --> 01:25:55,760
Same way.

1300
01:25:55,760 --> 01:25:59,760
As it turned out, I'll have to see what the prints look like.

1301
01:25:59,760 --> 01:26:04,760
But my first impression is that I didn't see much more than what the camera did at zero-phase.

1302
01:26:04,760 --> 01:26:08,760
Which it's going to surprise me because I would have thought different.

1303
01:26:08,760 --> 01:26:14,760
But I don't take that as any sort of data until I've had a chance to really see a blown up print.

1304
01:26:14,760 --> 01:26:17,760
You know, I'm just looking at some negatives in here.

1305
01:26:17,760 --> 01:26:19,760
But that's my first impression.

1306
01:26:19,760 --> 01:26:23,760
I said that the eyeball can see more than the film can.

1307
01:26:23,760 --> 01:26:26,760
But with our particular film, I think there's a pretty good source point.

1308
01:26:26,760 --> 01:26:28,760
I'm not going to be about the same.

1309
01:26:28,760 --> 01:26:29,760
That's great.

1310
01:26:29,760 --> 01:26:32,760
Yeah, it's the same way that we have a bad eyeball set.

1311
01:26:32,760 --> 01:26:34,760
No, it was a good film.

1312
01:26:34,760 --> 01:26:37,760
That's a pretty rare thing.

1313
01:26:37,760 --> 01:26:40,760
Hey, on the sunglasses, I guess you got it.

1314
01:26:40,760 --> 01:26:43,760
His bars on him, nobody even broke the sunglasses out.

1315
01:26:43,760 --> 01:26:44,760
Right.

1316
01:26:44,760 --> 01:26:45,760
And you didn't really need it?

1317
01:26:45,760 --> 01:26:46,760
No.

1318
01:26:46,760 --> 01:26:47,760
Right.

1319
01:26:47,760 --> 01:26:51,760
Well, I think the only time we needed him was when there was sun shafting in.

1320
01:26:51,760 --> 01:26:55,760
But in PTC, just wait a couple of minutes, it's going to be gone.

1321
01:26:55,760 --> 01:26:56,760
Goes away.

1322
01:26:56,760 --> 01:26:57,760
Okay.

1323
01:26:57,760 --> 01:27:05,760
And there was a time at 196 hours where we lost your respiratory system, your CPN.

1324
01:27:05,760 --> 01:27:12,760
Did you notice whether it was the signal conditioner disconnected in or was there a sensor loose or anything?

1325
01:27:12,760 --> 01:27:13,760
No.

1326
01:27:13,760 --> 01:27:14,760
There was nothing different.

1327
01:27:15,760 --> 01:27:18,760
And you couldn't see anything obvious as to why?

1328
01:27:18,760 --> 01:27:21,760
No, I went down and went over the whole system.

1329
01:27:21,760 --> 01:27:26,760
We checked the sensors, checked the belt, checked the connection.

1330
01:27:26,760 --> 01:27:29,760
And we were getting too close to entry to really do it.

1331
01:27:29,760 --> 01:27:31,760
Yeah, no great deal of troubleshooting.

1332
01:27:31,760 --> 01:27:34,760
No, there was no point to do it then.

1333
01:27:34,760 --> 01:27:35,760
Okay, fine.

1334
01:27:35,760 --> 01:27:36,760
But we're going to check those things.

1335
01:27:36,760 --> 01:27:39,760
We never had a signal conditioner as such fail.

1336
01:27:39,760 --> 01:27:43,760
And that's one of the things that's sort of interesting to win the sensor problem.

1337
01:27:43,760 --> 01:27:47,760
And we want to be sure to check those signal conditioners out.

1338
01:27:47,760 --> 01:27:49,760
Okay.

1339
01:27:49,760 --> 01:27:53,760
I think we've got most of this mobility thing done in there.

1340
01:27:53,760 --> 01:27:55,760
I was talking about that bottom end belt.

1341
01:27:55,760 --> 01:28:01,760
Let me just say, I think my urine bike problem, the ACTA problem, is kind of related to that belt,

1342
01:28:01,760 --> 01:28:05,760
in that you know the ACTA is held by that plastic strap.

1343
01:28:05,760 --> 01:28:06,760
Right.

1344
01:28:06,760 --> 01:28:12,760
I think the problem in getting a hose length correct has to do with the fact that the ACTA

1345
01:28:12,760 --> 01:28:15,760
doesn't always end up in the same place.

1346
01:28:15,760 --> 01:28:19,760
You try to get it below the belt so that it doesn't get on top of it

1347
01:28:19,760 --> 01:28:22,760
and increase the dimension of your urine.

1348
01:28:22,760 --> 01:28:25,760
And I think in doing that, that probably will work a little more.

1349
01:28:25,760 --> 01:28:30,760
You know, or the gun down and have it for maybe in retrospect.

1350
01:28:30,760 --> 01:28:32,760
In some way, that thing could be fixed.

1351
01:28:32,760 --> 01:28:34,760
Yeah, probably.

1352
01:28:34,760 --> 01:28:41,039
I'm going to move up and down and therefore you can adjust the hose length.

1353
01:28:41,039 --> 01:28:44,039
Oh, better.

1354
01:28:44,039 --> 01:28:46,039
I wore mine differently.

1355
01:28:46,039 --> 01:28:47,039
I wore mine over the belt.

1356
01:28:47,039 --> 01:28:49,039
That may be the deal.

1357
01:28:49,039 --> 01:28:53,039
Well, I think it's a question of fixing the vertical height of that thing.

1358
01:28:53,039 --> 01:28:56,039
So you can't get the right length of the hose.

1359
01:28:56,039 --> 01:28:57,039
But the line was up and down.

1360
01:28:57,039 --> 01:29:02,039
I think when you reached in, you probably thought it was sagging down as it was out of being full of fluid.

1361
01:29:02,039 --> 01:29:03,039
You wanted it.

1362
01:29:03,039 --> 01:29:07,039
But also because I used to wear it below the belt and the other.

1363
01:29:07,039 --> 01:29:10,039
But his hose had a definite kink in it.

1364
01:29:10,039 --> 01:29:11,039
It came out of the fitting.

1365
01:29:11,039 --> 01:29:13,039
It just made a sharp kink.

1366
01:29:13,039 --> 01:29:14,039
And it was bent.

1367
01:29:14,039 --> 01:29:16,039
It's like you see a little bit.

1368
01:29:16,039 --> 01:29:20,300
Yeah.

1369
01:29:20,300 --> 01:29:29,300
Did you have, did you feel any real dryness of skin as such or dryness of your lips or your nose and all?

1370
01:29:29,300 --> 01:29:32,300
Did you ever have any sensation that way during that?

1371
01:29:32,300 --> 01:29:34,300
Not exceptionally for me.

1372
01:29:34,300 --> 01:29:37,300
I shouldn't have any obvious sensations, right?

1373
01:29:37,300 --> 01:29:38,300
I don't know.

1374
01:29:38,300 --> 01:29:39,300
The student did.

1375
01:29:39,300 --> 01:29:42,300
I noticed his lips were cracking about 4 to 5 days.

1376
01:29:42,300 --> 01:29:43,300
We got like TDIs.

1377
01:29:43,300 --> 01:29:45,300
But I don't know what you're going to do.

1378
01:29:45,300 --> 01:29:46,300
Yeah.

1379
01:29:46,300 --> 01:29:47,300
No, I didn't feel dry.

1380
01:29:47,300 --> 01:29:52,300
In fact, I know cracking in here too.

1381
01:29:52,300 --> 01:29:53,300
But no.

1382
01:29:53,300 --> 01:30:04,010
I didn't feel any dryness particularly though.

1383
01:30:04,010 --> 01:30:11,010
Did they talk to you about the field chamois and wanted to tack on the white flesh thing on the end of this thing?

1384
01:30:12,010 --> 01:30:13,010
Yeah.

1385
01:30:13,010 --> 01:30:14,010
Yeah.

1386
01:30:14,010 --> 01:30:19,010
Why don't you tell me to come on in and let me get that out of the way then?

1387
01:30:19,010 --> 01:30:21,010
Hey, Chuck, just real fast.

1388
01:30:21,010 --> 01:30:28,010
I know you've got to take the data and you're looking ahead to the longer flights.

1389
01:30:28,010 --> 01:30:30,010
I'm not trying to downplay it.

1390
01:30:30,010 --> 01:30:35,010
But this weight loss, you know, I think, in my case, I don't want it to be misconstrued.

1391
01:30:35,010 --> 01:30:40,010
You know, I was just sitting here thinking, you know, I weighed less after I feel tripped to Iceland

1392
01:30:40,010 --> 01:30:42,010
than I did after this flight too.

1393
01:30:42,010 --> 01:30:50,010
You know, a weight loss of me of five pounds is just, you know, comes and goes with no problem at all.

1394
01:30:50,010 --> 01:30:53,010
Well, that's why the body water things are going to be pretty important.

1395
01:30:53,010 --> 01:30:54,010
Yeah.

1396
01:30:54,010 --> 01:30:56,010
You know, is that really it?

1397
01:30:56,010 --> 01:30:59,010
You know, is it really a total body water loss?

1398
01:30:59,010 --> 01:31:00,010
I don't know.

1399
01:31:00,010 --> 01:31:01,010
That'll be it.

1400
01:31:01,010 --> 01:31:02,010
Yeah.

1401
01:31:02,010 --> 01:31:04,010
A real important part to hang on here.

1402
01:31:04,010 --> 01:31:08,010
That's why we'll go over that way so that it is clear.

1403
01:31:08,010 --> 01:31:11,010
We won't have a total body water or something, or an exercise of your food space.

1404
01:31:11,010 --> 01:31:12,010
So I have to quarantine now.

1405
01:31:12,010 --> 01:31:13,010
We'll be done with the data.

1406
01:31:13,010 --> 01:31:16,989
Those are data matters.

1407
01:31:16,989 --> 01:31:17,989
Those are data matters.

1408
01:31:17,989 --> 01:31:19,989
We're just doing data counting here.

1409
01:31:19,989 --> 01:31:23,340
Why can't we get it out?

1410
01:31:23,340 --> 01:31:25,340
I won't allow you that way.

1411
01:31:25,340 --> 01:31:29,649
We're just not quick.

1412
01:31:29,649 --> 01:31:30,649
Let's get it out.

1413
01:31:30,649 --> 01:31:37,829
I'll talk with you later.

1414
01:31:37,829 --> 01:31:38,829
There is a scientist.

1415
01:31:38,829 --> 01:31:45,220
Let's go.

1416
01:31:45,220 --> 01:31:46,220
Yeah, there he is.

1417
01:31:46,220 --> 01:31:47,220
Phil, come out.

1418
01:31:47,220 --> 01:31:48,220
Hey, y'all want any coffee?

1419
01:31:48,220 --> 01:31:49,220
I've got a big pot right here.

1420
01:31:49,220 --> 01:31:52,220
Yeah, I'm coming over to get some right now.

1421
01:31:52,220 --> 01:31:54,789
I want to go.

1422
01:31:54,789 --> 01:31:59,789
Big suggested that we should tack on a few questions about light flashes.

1423
01:31:59,789 --> 01:32:00,789
The end is brief.

1424
01:32:00,789 --> 01:32:03,789
I hope you're going to have a moment to do that.

1425
01:32:03,789 --> 01:32:10,789
What we'd like to do is to clarify some of the subjective impressions that you've got.

1426
01:32:10,789 --> 01:32:17,789
What you saw on the way of light flashes and also to clarify the conditions under which you saw.

1427
01:32:17,789 --> 01:32:18,789
I'm scared.

1428
01:32:18,789 --> 01:32:20,789
Can you stand back from the mic just a little bit?

1429
01:32:20,789 --> 01:32:21,789
That's a boom mic.

1430
01:32:21,789 --> 01:32:23,789
Phil, can you tell what you're saying right here?

1431
01:32:23,789 --> 01:32:24,789
He'll pick it up.

1432
01:32:24,789 --> 01:32:25,789
Okay.

1433
01:32:25,789 --> 01:32:34,050
You need to get really close to the mic.

1434
01:32:34,050 --> 01:32:35,050
You should be right from the mic.

1435
01:32:35,050 --> 01:32:37,050
Is there a way that the room could be there?

1436
01:32:37,050 --> 01:32:39,050
Is there room to be there?

1437
01:32:39,050 --> 01:32:40,050
Yeah.

1438
01:32:40,050 --> 01:32:42,050
In a while.

1439
01:32:42,050 --> 01:32:43,050
In a while.

1440
01:32:43,050 --> 01:32:44,050
In a while.

1441
01:32:44,050 --> 01:32:46,489
Okay.

1442
01:32:46,489 --> 01:32:52,489
The first question we got is the streaks that you saw with a very sharp phenomenon

1443
01:32:52,489 --> 01:32:55,489
or were they rather diffuse like fuzzy?

1444
01:32:55,489 --> 01:32:58,770
Once I saw it were very sharp.

1445
01:32:58,770 --> 01:33:00,770
There was no mistaking what it was.

1446
01:33:00,770 --> 01:33:02,770
It was a streaks.

1447
01:33:02,770 --> 01:33:03,770
So long.

1448
01:33:03,770 --> 01:33:04,770
Yes, the pain is weak.

1449
01:33:04,770 --> 01:33:05,770
It was very good.

1450
01:33:05,770 --> 01:33:07,770
Yeah, I think that's correct.

1451
01:33:07,770 --> 01:33:14,770
Both the single streaks and the double shots that could be very clear to me.

1452
01:33:14,770 --> 01:33:16,770
They were quite clear.

1453
01:33:16,770 --> 01:33:22,770
And I think I made the comment over the loop that most of my streaks appeared to be on them.

1454
01:33:22,770 --> 01:33:29,770
And for the first several days I got the impression that this direction was predominant.

1455
01:33:29,770 --> 01:33:34,770
Later on it appeared that I don't think I could get that good pattern.

1456
01:33:34,770 --> 01:33:41,770
But that was my first impression for the first couple of days.

1457
01:33:41,770 --> 01:33:45,770
The next question is was there any apparent direction of propagation?

1458
01:33:45,770 --> 01:33:51,770
And could you tell it was coming from one side to the other or was it just a flash?

1459
01:33:51,770 --> 01:33:55,770
Several times you didn't say from the left to the right or something like that.

1460
01:33:55,770 --> 01:34:00,770
Tried to correlate it, but in my case I couldn't really correlate a pattern out of it.

1461
01:34:00,770 --> 01:34:09,770
Yeah, I would think that the time period which we tried to report them straight by street flash by flash was represented.

1462
01:34:09,770 --> 01:34:14,770
And it was my feeling that it was generally random during that time period

1463
01:34:14,770 --> 01:34:18,770
and therefore generally random throughout the time that we were noticing.

1464
01:34:18,770 --> 01:34:24,770
Now I meant could you detect that it was moving from one side to the other in general?

1465
01:34:24,770 --> 01:34:27,770
It was moving in an A specific flash.

1466
01:34:27,770 --> 01:34:29,770
Oh an A specific flash, yes.

1467
01:34:29,770 --> 01:34:32,770
But you could see it as a prevel from one side to the other.

1468
01:34:32,770 --> 01:34:35,770
You really had to try to report that way.

1469
01:34:35,770 --> 01:34:37,770
That's the way of propagation.

1470
01:34:37,770 --> 01:34:39,770
Because it happens, you have to be very fast, you know.

1471
01:34:39,770 --> 01:34:42,770
And that question kind of redundant then?

1472
01:34:42,770 --> 01:34:45,770
I don't believe you.

1473
01:34:46,770 --> 01:34:52,770
Was there some character to these flashes that had some aspect of direction?

1474
01:34:52,770 --> 01:34:59,020
Were they all the same rod shaped or were they have a tail on them?

1475
01:34:59,020 --> 01:35:04,020
Well, what I reported as a street was simply that.

1476
01:35:04,020 --> 01:35:14,020
Now maybe the way we determined the direction subconsciously was that it was a ball of light moving in a direction, leaving a tail.

1477
01:35:15,020 --> 01:35:17,020
But I don't, I can't say that for sure.

1478
01:35:17,020 --> 01:35:23,020
All I reported was a street and I had the impression of it moving from one direction to the other.

1479
01:35:23,020 --> 01:35:28,020
And I reported that direction and I can't clarify it much more than that.

1480
01:35:28,020 --> 01:35:29,020
What do you want to do?

1481
01:35:29,020 --> 01:35:31,020
You want to ask me a question.

1482
01:35:31,020 --> 01:35:32,020
We just denounce the lights.

1483
01:35:32,020 --> 01:35:34,020
I think they can see this in the dark room.

1484
01:35:34,020 --> 01:35:35,020
But just try it.

1485
01:35:35,020 --> 01:35:40,020
The idea is to try to see whether this is what you saw or similar to it.

1486
01:35:40,020 --> 01:35:42,020
I think you need to like that a bit.

1487
01:35:43,020 --> 01:35:44,020
Can you see anything?

1488
01:35:44,020 --> 01:35:47,020
Yeah, that's what it looked like, except it was traveling.

1489
01:35:47,020 --> 01:35:53,020
In other words, it started out and then definitely progressed across the field of view.

1490
01:35:53,020 --> 01:35:56,020
The direction of motion for the individual.

1491
01:35:56,020 --> 01:35:57,020
Was it that right?

1492
01:35:57,020 --> 01:35:59,020
Yeah, except you're not traveling.

1493
01:35:59,020 --> 01:36:00,020
It was traveling.

1494
01:36:00,020 --> 01:36:01,020
I know.

1495
01:36:01,020 --> 01:36:03,020
You started at a point in a street.

1496
01:36:03,020 --> 01:36:06,020
I never had seen two simultaneously either.

1497
01:36:06,020 --> 01:36:09,020
You had two streaks like that.

1498
01:36:09,020 --> 01:36:10,020
I never saw that.

1499
01:36:13,539 --> 01:36:17,539
At one time you saw a semicolon tube thing.

1500
01:36:17,539 --> 01:36:18,539
So what?

1501
01:36:18,539 --> 01:36:19,539
A semicolon tube thing.