1 00:00:02,509 --> 00:00:13,509 To my streets appeared to be on the periphery, and for the first several days, I got the impression that this direction was predominant. 2 00:00:13,509 --> 00:00:22,510 Later on, it appeared that I don't think I could get that good pattern, but that was my first impression for the first couple of days. 3 00:00:22,510 --> 00:00:27,510 The next question is, was there any apparent direction of propagation? 4 00:00:27,510 --> 00:00:32,509 And could you tell it was coming from one side to the other or what the system was? 5 00:00:32,509 --> 00:00:36,509 Several times, you didn't say, from the left or the right or something like that. 6 00:00:36,509 --> 00:00:41,509 I tried to correlate it, but in my case, I couldn't really correlate a pattern out of it. 7 00:00:41,509 --> 00:00:51,509 Yeah, I would think that the time periods, which we tried to report them straight by street flash by flash, was represented. 8 00:00:51,509 --> 00:01:00,509 And it was my feeling that it was generally random during that time period, and therefore generally random throughout the time that we were noticing. 9 00:01:00,509 --> 00:01:04,510 No, I meant could you detect that it was moving from one side to the other? 10 00:01:04,510 --> 00:01:05,510 Yes. 11 00:01:05,510 --> 00:01:07,510 It was moving in a specific way. 12 00:01:07,510 --> 00:01:10,510 Oh, a specific flash, yes. 13 00:01:10,510 --> 00:01:13,510 But you could see it as a travel from one side to another. 14 00:01:13,510 --> 00:01:14,510 Yes. 15 00:01:14,510 --> 00:01:16,510 You really think they tried to report that way, didn't you? 16 00:01:16,510 --> 00:01:20,510 That's the way it was, because it happened to be very fast, you know. 17 00:01:20,510 --> 00:01:23,510 And that question kind of redundant then? 18 00:01:23,510 --> 00:01:26,510 I don't believe you. 19 00:01:29,510 --> 00:01:34,510 Was there some character for these flashes that had some aspect of direction? 20 00:01:34,510 --> 00:01:40,510 Were they all the same, Ron Chaype, or were they have a tail on it? 21 00:01:40,510 --> 00:01:45,510 Well, what I reported as a streak was simply that. 22 00:01:45,510 --> 00:01:56,510 Now, maybe the way we determined the direction subconsciously was that it was a ball of light moving in a direction, leaving a tail. 23 00:01:56,510 --> 00:01:58,510 But I don't, I can't say that for sure. 24 00:01:58,510 --> 00:02:05,510 All I reported was a streak, and I had the impression of it moving from one direction to the other. 25 00:02:05,510 --> 00:02:10,509 And I reported that direction, and I can't clarify it much more than that. 26 00:02:10,509 --> 00:02:13,509 I mean, maybe while you're asking a question, we just tell us the lights. 27 00:02:13,509 --> 00:02:17,509 I think they can see this in the dark and blue, but just right. 28 00:02:17,509 --> 00:02:21,509 The idea is to try to see whether this is what you saw or similar to it. 29 00:02:21,509 --> 00:02:23,509 I think you need to like that bit. 30 00:02:23,509 --> 00:02:24,509 Wow. 31 00:02:24,509 --> 00:02:25,509 Can you see anything? 32 00:02:25,509 --> 00:02:26,509 Yeah, I can tell. 33 00:02:26,509 --> 00:02:28,509 That's what it looked like, except it was traveling. 34 00:02:28,509 --> 00:02:34,509 In other words, it started out and then definitely progressed across the field of view. 35 00:02:34,509 --> 00:02:37,509 The direction of motion per individual. 36 00:02:37,509 --> 00:02:39,509 Was it that right? 37 00:02:39,509 --> 00:02:41,509 Yeah, except you're not traveling. 38 00:02:41,509 --> 00:02:42,509 It was traveling. 39 00:02:42,509 --> 00:02:43,509 I know. 40 00:02:43,509 --> 00:02:45,509 You started it right in the sea. 41 00:02:45,509 --> 00:02:46,509 Me too. 42 00:02:46,509 --> 00:02:48,509 I never did see two simultaneously either. 43 00:02:48,509 --> 00:02:49,509 Neither did I. 44 00:02:49,509 --> 00:02:51,509 You have two streaks on that. 45 00:02:51,509 --> 00:02:55,009 I never saw that. 46 00:02:55,009 --> 00:03:00,009 At one time, you said you saw a semi-colon-shaped thing. 47 00:03:00,009 --> 00:03:01,009 So what? 48 00:03:01,009 --> 00:03:03,009 A semi-colon-shaped object. 49 00:03:03,009 --> 00:03:06,009 This was in the first report. 50 00:03:06,009 --> 00:03:08,009 I never did. 51 00:03:09,009 --> 00:03:12,009 If I reported it, that's what I saw, but I don't remember it. 52 00:03:12,009 --> 00:03:14,009 Did you see anything that looked like this? 53 00:03:14,009 --> 00:03:18,800 All I'd say is whatever was reported was what I saw. 54 00:03:18,800 --> 00:03:24,800 No, I, you know, we discussed the various shapes prior to flight. 55 00:03:24,800 --> 00:03:29,800 And I concentrated pretty hard on trying to see the shapes. 56 00:03:29,800 --> 00:03:38,800 And I think as I reported that, no, it was either a streak and just a rather simple streak or was a flash and rather a simple flash. 57 00:03:39,800 --> 00:03:41,800 Nothing too exotic about it. 58 00:03:41,800 --> 00:03:54,800 And on a more rare one would be maybe just a pin-point of light for an instant, rather than get the idea of a flash. 59 00:03:54,800 --> 00:03:57,800 So it would just be a pin-point for a second, and it would be gone. 60 00:03:57,800 --> 00:03:59,800 But that was more rare than the other two. 61 00:03:59,800 --> 00:04:02,800 But why are you in a distributed sort of thing? 62 00:04:02,800 --> 00:04:13,800 Yeah, I met, you know, like watching an explosion, you know, just a ball versus just a steady dot, yes. 63 00:04:13,800 --> 00:04:16,800 Was it light? 64 00:04:16,800 --> 00:04:18,800 Did you see that? 65 00:04:18,800 --> 00:04:20,800 No. 66 00:04:20,800 --> 00:04:29,050 Can't see it. 67 00:04:29,050 --> 00:04:31,050 We're not getting light. 68 00:04:31,050 --> 00:04:33,050 I don't think it's lightening. 69 00:04:33,050 --> 00:04:39,819 Oh, there was something just as you turned it there. 70 00:04:39,819 --> 00:04:44,819 I mean, multiple, this one. 71 00:04:44,819 --> 00:04:49,819 Okay, that to me would be the pin-point that I'm describing. 72 00:04:49,819 --> 00:04:56,819 The eruption or the novos we call them would be more of an explosion. 73 00:04:56,819 --> 00:04:58,819 Yeah, yeah. 74 00:04:58,819 --> 00:05:00,819 Are there more dots in that? 75 00:05:00,819 --> 00:05:04,819 Well, you've got a very, very bright center and a diffused edge. 76 00:05:04,819 --> 00:05:10,819 I would say that the impression I had was you would have an area like that indicating a blow-up, 77 00:05:10,819 --> 00:05:16,300 but the center wasn't predominantly that bright. 78 00:05:16,300 --> 00:05:22,300 But that's getting closer to what we would call a rod I would refer to as an ova or a flash. 79 00:05:22,300 --> 00:05:25,300 That's not as bright as what I call an ova, yeah. 80 00:05:25,300 --> 00:05:39,790 No, it was what I call an ova was more of a blob that seemed to start with that and kind of expand. 81 00:05:39,790 --> 00:05:41,790 More diffused. 82 00:05:41,790 --> 00:05:45,790 Yeah, more diffused as the time went on. 83 00:05:45,790 --> 00:05:46,790 Righter than that. 84 00:05:46,790 --> 00:05:48,790 Righter than that, yes. 85 00:05:48,790 --> 00:05:52,790 That's what I call a flash or a star. 86 00:05:52,790 --> 00:06:00,790 Here again, you've got too much contrast between the center and the diffused area there though. 87 00:06:00,790 --> 00:06:03,790 Also, your time frame that your flash you got is too low. 88 00:06:03,790 --> 00:06:05,790 It was faster than that. 89 00:06:05,790 --> 00:06:10,790 Am I right in from what you just said that when you said flash, you really meant a star or not a, 90 00:06:10,790 --> 00:06:12,790 would not what, did you just describe it? 91 00:06:12,790 --> 00:06:16,790 I think I almost didn't use flash and star interchangeable. 92 00:06:16,790 --> 00:06:19,790 That's on true view. 93 00:06:19,790 --> 00:06:24,790 No, when I flash, no, but to me, we're essentially the same thing. 94 00:06:24,790 --> 00:06:29,790 The only distinction I make is the pinpoint versus an explosion. 95 00:06:29,790 --> 00:06:35,790 Okay, I think what Stu was calling a pinpoint was about what I call a star or flash. 96 00:06:35,790 --> 00:06:41,790 And an ova, to me, was a much bigger, brighter thing. 97 00:06:41,790 --> 00:06:43,790 Okay, again, a couple of quick ones. 98 00:06:43,790 --> 00:06:45,790 First of all, the cabin light. 99 00:06:45,790 --> 00:06:46,790 Exactly. 100 00:06:46,790 --> 00:06:49,790 Was it completely dark or was there some instrument lights still on? 101 00:06:49,790 --> 00:06:50,790 Absolutely dark. 102 00:06:50,790 --> 00:06:51,790 Absolutely dark. 103 00:06:51,790 --> 00:06:52,790 Okay. 104 00:06:52,790 --> 00:06:57,790 Well, yeah, there's, you talk about the time period that we ran this quantitative report, right? 105 00:06:57,790 --> 00:06:58,790 Right. 106 00:06:58,790 --> 00:06:59,790 Completely dark. 107 00:06:59,790 --> 00:07:00,790 Okay. 108 00:07:00,790 --> 00:07:02,790 And did you have your eyes closed? 109 00:07:02,790 --> 00:07:05,790 Most of the time, were they open in the dark cabin? 110 00:07:05,790 --> 00:07:06,790 Mine was closed. 111 00:07:06,790 --> 00:07:08,790 Yeah, that I'd go. 112 00:07:08,790 --> 00:07:11,790 Even though we had the winter shades on, when we'd roll around to the sun, 113 00:07:11,790 --> 00:07:14,790 we didn't have to do windows, there was a piece of light seepage around. 114 00:07:14,790 --> 00:07:16,790 We were aware of that at the time. 115 00:07:16,790 --> 00:07:22,790 So during that time, when we at least had closed my eyes closed, open otherwise. 116 00:07:22,790 --> 00:07:25,790 And of course, we closed our eyes when we had put this flashlight on. 117 00:07:25,790 --> 00:07:27,790 But generally speaking, eyes were open. 118 00:07:28,790 --> 00:07:31,790 No, mine was almost closed all the time. 119 00:07:31,790 --> 00:07:39,790 I was floating down the corner of the LED, but I kept my eyes closed because I didn't know when my roll into the sun. 120 00:07:39,790 --> 00:07:41,790 And I didn't want to pick up any light at all. 121 00:07:41,790 --> 00:07:45,790 Okay, the next question on the flashlight was, when you shine it in your eyes, 122 00:07:45,790 --> 00:07:49,790 what was the approximate duration in each eye about how many seconds? 123 00:07:49,790 --> 00:07:53,790 Well, I just kind of moved it across for five seconds or so. 124 00:07:54,790 --> 00:07:58,790 Five or six seconds. It hurt. It was hurt, right? 125 00:07:58,790 --> 00:08:02,790 And the next question on still your orientation in the LED? 126 00:08:02,790 --> 00:08:05,790 You said you were looking toward plus X. 127 00:08:05,790 --> 00:08:09,790 Is we across? 128 00:08:09,790 --> 00:08:15,790 I was generally, you know, how you have the three couches and plus X is, 129 00:08:15,790 --> 00:08:21,790 I was oriented this way with my head looking face up down in this corner. 130 00:08:21,790 --> 00:08:25,790 So your head was in the same direction as it would be if you were on the cap. 131 00:08:25,790 --> 00:08:27,790 Yes, that's it. 132 00:08:27,790 --> 00:08:32,789 And the next question is, in almost every case, you did report that it was in one eye. 133 00:08:32,789 --> 00:08:36,789 The other is one instance where you had a bow die. 134 00:08:36,789 --> 00:08:40,789 And my question is, maybe someone had redunded it, 135 00:08:40,789 --> 00:08:47,789 but you absolutely certain that you could distinguish that it was one eye as opposed to... 136 00:08:47,789 --> 00:08:50,789 I felt I was getting more on the left than the right in some reason, 137 00:08:50,789 --> 00:08:56,789 but in fact, in fact, you were all heavily biased towards the right on the one on your reports. 138 00:08:56,789 --> 00:08:59,789 Really? Very heavily. Like, we were both on one. 139 00:08:59,789 --> 00:09:01,789 I was sworn that I was biased to the left. 140 00:09:01,789 --> 00:09:04,789 You had 12 right and 6 left, 141 00:09:04,789 --> 00:09:07,789 and Allen, you had 10 right, 4 left, 142 00:09:07,789 --> 00:09:10,789 and on the ones on your reports, 143 00:09:10,789 --> 00:09:12,789 you had 6 right and 2 left, 144 00:09:12,789 --> 00:09:15,789 and the rest were in no reports or both eye. 145 00:09:15,789 --> 00:09:18,789 It was all very heavily been biased to the right eye. 146 00:09:18,789 --> 00:09:20,789 That first question. 147 00:09:20,789 --> 00:09:23,789 Well, I'm talking about that. 148 00:09:23,789 --> 00:09:30,789 It seems to me that I would get a flash or a streak or whatever the phenomenon or whatever the shape was. 149 00:09:30,789 --> 00:09:33,789 Simultaneous with somebody else reporting. 150 00:09:33,789 --> 00:09:35,789 That's exactly the next question. 151 00:09:35,789 --> 00:09:39,789 That was three from listening to tapes, three events, 152 00:09:39,789 --> 00:09:44,789 and it occurred in cases where different pairs revolved. 153 00:09:45,789 --> 00:09:47,789 Which were coincidences where, 154 00:09:47,789 --> 00:09:49,789 and I think in one case, 155 00:09:51,789 --> 00:09:53,789 Ed, you said flash, 156 00:09:53,789 --> 00:09:54,789 and then Allen, you said, 157 00:09:54,789 --> 00:09:55,789 simultaneous with him. 158 00:09:55,789 --> 00:09:57,789 I have flash in the whole right eye. 159 00:09:57,789 --> 00:10:00,789 Now, my question would be when it was simultaneous, 160 00:10:00,789 --> 00:10:04,789 was it after he began speaking or was it, in fact, 161 00:10:04,789 --> 00:10:08,789 was his words good enough for you to have been marked on your flash? 162 00:10:08,789 --> 00:10:09,789 Well, with certainty, 163 00:10:09,789 --> 00:10:10,789 within a fraction of a second, 164 00:10:10,789 --> 00:10:12,789 I think it was simultaneous. 165 00:10:12,789 --> 00:10:14,789 Yeah, a couple of times it happened to me, 166 00:10:14,789 --> 00:10:18,789 because his mark or whoever the mark it was was good enough. 167 00:10:18,789 --> 00:10:21,840 Same here. 168 00:10:21,840 --> 00:10:25,840 And then the next question is earlier before the session, 169 00:10:25,840 --> 00:10:28,840 then when you were describing some of the subjective observations, 170 00:10:28,840 --> 00:10:31,840 you mentioned the halo as that you'd seen. 171 00:10:31,840 --> 00:10:36,840 That you'd see a flash followed by an absolute take his halo off, 172 00:10:36,840 --> 00:10:37,840 put it away. 173 00:10:38,840 --> 00:10:43,980 It's going to be, I'm sorry. 174 00:10:43,980 --> 00:10:44,980 Well, okay. 175 00:10:44,980 --> 00:10:45,980 How did you know? 176 00:10:45,980 --> 00:10:47,980 The after effects. 177 00:10:47,980 --> 00:10:49,980 Were they present most of the time, 178 00:10:49,980 --> 00:10:50,980 did you see, did you have, 179 00:10:50,980 --> 00:10:52,980 a cognizance of, 180 00:10:52,980 --> 00:10:55,980 of spiking in a sort of glow afterwards? 181 00:10:55,980 --> 00:10:57,980 Only on what I call the Nova or the Supernova. 182 00:10:57,980 --> 00:10:58,980 Supernova. 183 00:10:58,980 --> 00:11:04,659 I'm sure it's for you to do. 184 00:11:04,659 --> 00:11:07,659 I really know the halo effect myself. 185 00:11:07,659 --> 00:11:11,659 I guess I'm not sure what we're calling the halo effect. 186 00:11:12,659 --> 00:11:15,659 I'm a diffused brightness. 187 00:11:15,659 --> 00:11:18,659 More like an after glow after. 188 00:11:18,659 --> 00:11:20,659 Did I call any of those? 189 00:11:20,659 --> 00:11:21,659 I sure don't remember it. 190 00:11:21,659 --> 00:11:24,659 No, I don't think I saw any of those. 191 00:11:24,659 --> 00:11:25,659 Okay. 192 00:11:25,659 --> 00:11:29,009 The other question we had was, 193 00:11:29,009 --> 00:11:33,009 do you want to make any observations in Linda Ormond? 194 00:11:33,009 --> 00:11:35,009 I know there were no formal theories, 195 00:11:35,009 --> 00:11:40,009 but you know, I thought about that on the way back. 196 00:11:40,009 --> 00:11:46,009 And I was so tired that night that I really don't remember 197 00:11:46,009 --> 00:11:48,009 seeing any flashes, 198 00:11:48,009 --> 00:11:50,009 but I didn't look for any either. 199 00:11:50,009 --> 00:11:52,009 So I guess the question would be, 200 00:11:52,009 --> 00:11:54,009 I consciously did not see any, 201 00:11:54,009 --> 00:11:56,009 but I sure, 202 00:11:56,009 --> 00:11:58,009 I wouldn't take that as a data point. 203 00:11:58,009 --> 00:11:59,009 Okay. 204 00:11:59,009 --> 00:12:02,509 And then the final, 205 00:12:02,509 --> 00:12:04,509 after our formal session was on Bob, 206 00:12:04,509 --> 00:12:10,129 you didn't have a sleep period later on. 207 00:12:10,129 --> 00:12:14,129 Do you remember whether you saw any during that sleep period closer in? 208 00:12:14,129 --> 00:12:15,129 It's significant, 209 00:12:15,129 --> 00:12:17,129 whether you're inside the magnetic pole. 210 00:12:17,129 --> 00:12:18,129 Yeah. 211 00:12:18,129 --> 00:12:20,129 I don't consciously recall, 212 00:12:20,129 --> 00:12:23,129 but I don't really recall that there was any night, 213 00:12:23,129 --> 00:12:25,129 except on a lunar surface, 214 00:12:25,129 --> 00:12:27,129 that I didn't, 215 00:12:27,129 --> 00:12:29,129 at some time or at others they saw. 216 00:12:29,129 --> 00:12:30,129 You definitely, 217 00:12:30,129 --> 00:12:31,129 you didn't see any on the lunar surface? 218 00:12:31,129 --> 00:12:32,129 I just, no, 219 00:12:32,129 --> 00:12:34,129 I don't remember about the lunar surface. 220 00:12:34,129 --> 00:12:35,129 Oh. 221 00:12:35,129 --> 00:12:37,129 There was precious little sleep that night. 222 00:12:37,129 --> 00:12:38,129 It was beautiful. 223 00:12:38,129 --> 00:12:40,129 Okay, well, I saw all the questions I had. 224 00:12:40,129 --> 00:12:43,129 We had to tell us the light for a minute. 225 00:12:43,129 --> 00:12:46,129 I have one of these questions. 226 00:12:46,129 --> 00:12:49,129 Did you get the impression that light flashes 227 00:12:49,129 --> 00:12:51,129 could have been within the cabin 228 00:12:51,129 --> 00:12:53,129 are definitely within your eye? 229 00:12:53,129 --> 00:12:55,129 Definitely within the eye. 230 00:12:55,129 --> 00:12:57,600 Yeah. 231 00:12:57,600 --> 00:13:00,600 I want to get some idea about orientation 232 00:13:00,600 --> 00:13:02,600 and length of the streets. 233 00:13:02,600 --> 00:13:05,600 Did you ever see anything in the sunlight? 234 00:13:05,600 --> 00:13:06,600 No. 235 00:13:06,600 --> 00:13:08,600 No, I never did. 236 00:13:08,600 --> 00:13:12,600 You used the terminology of 237 00:13:12,600 --> 00:13:15,600 six o'clock or hours of the clock. 238 00:13:15,600 --> 00:13:18,600 Does that mean to you when you say six o'clock 239 00:13:18,600 --> 00:13:21,600 to the center about how long the street is that? 240 00:13:21,600 --> 00:13:23,600 That's a hard question to answer. 241 00:13:23,600 --> 00:13:26,600 If you were visualizing something about it, 242 00:13:26,600 --> 00:13:27,600 so, 243 00:13:27,600 --> 00:13:31,600 oh, about the arms length away from you. 244 00:13:31,600 --> 00:13:35,600 How long would you say your longest street was that long? 245 00:13:35,600 --> 00:13:37,600 Did you see my fingers? 246 00:13:37,600 --> 00:13:38,600 I'll show it a little. 247 00:13:38,600 --> 00:13:40,600 Let me describe it a different way. 248 00:13:40,600 --> 00:13:44,600 It appeared to me that the things, 249 00:13:44,600 --> 00:13:48,600 I would say, were three or four inches away 250 00:13:48,600 --> 00:13:50,600 from my plane, 251 00:13:50,600 --> 00:13:52,600 whatever that means, 252 00:13:52,600 --> 00:13:54,600 and were a couple inches long. 253 00:13:54,600 --> 00:13:56,600 Tell us what it meant to you. 254 00:13:56,600 --> 00:13:58,600 Tell us what it meant to you. 255 00:13:58,600 --> 00:14:01,600 It's made for inches in front of you. 256 00:14:01,600 --> 00:14:04,600 It looked like this. 257 00:14:04,600 --> 00:14:07,600 Too long for me. 258 00:14:07,600 --> 00:14:12,259 Do you see that line up above? 259 00:14:12,259 --> 00:14:14,259 What if above looks better? 260 00:14:19,250 --> 00:14:21,250 Probably fairly close. 261 00:14:21,250 --> 00:14:23,250 Yeah, it's as close as the longest one. 262 00:14:23,250 --> 00:14:26,250 See, I'm not sure what our scale is here. 263 00:14:26,250 --> 00:14:29,250 I'd rather say that if I consider 264 00:14:29,250 --> 00:14:31,250 whatever it may be, 265 00:14:31,250 --> 00:14:33,250 but the field of view of saying my right eye 266 00:14:33,250 --> 00:14:35,250 and take a radius of that, 267 00:14:35,250 --> 00:14:37,250 that I'd put a streak 268 00:14:37,250 --> 00:14:40,250 of about a half the radius 269 00:14:40,250 --> 00:14:42,250 would be the average street. 270 00:14:42,250 --> 00:14:46,970 Half were a little longer. 271 00:14:46,970 --> 00:14:48,970 Do you think there's a way that you can 272 00:14:48,970 --> 00:14:50,970 associate this length of the streak 273 00:14:50,970 --> 00:14:52,970 to what you said 274 00:14:52,970 --> 00:14:56,220 with a longer chart? 275 00:14:56,220 --> 00:14:58,220 Well, depending on how big a circle 276 00:14:58,220 --> 00:15:00,220 I want to draw from my field of view. 277 00:15:00,220 --> 00:15:06,220 I saw streaks that long 278 00:15:06,220 --> 00:15:09,220 because with my eyes closed, 279 00:15:09,220 --> 00:15:13,220 I imagine a rather big field of view here in my eye. 280 00:15:13,220 --> 00:15:16,220 I'd see streaks that long. 281 00:15:16,220 --> 00:15:18,220 One time you said you saw streaks 282 00:15:18,220 --> 00:15:20,220 oriented in certain directions. 283 00:15:20,220 --> 00:15:22,220 Do you remember that? 284 00:15:22,220 --> 00:15:24,220 Yes, the way you had it, 285 00:15:24,220 --> 00:15:26,220 bring it on up that way. 286 00:15:26,220 --> 00:15:28,220 And point of view. 287 00:15:28,220 --> 00:15:30,220 Well, I think I had them 288 00:15:30,220 --> 00:15:32,220 from several directions 289 00:15:32,220 --> 00:15:34,220 and I reported them 290 00:15:34,220 --> 00:15:36,220 as moving from one direction 291 00:15:36,220 --> 00:15:38,220 to the other at that time. 292 00:15:38,220 --> 00:15:40,220 There were several of them though. 293 00:15:40,220 --> 00:15:42,220 How about out any particular direction 294 00:15:42,220 --> 00:15:44,220 up and down left and right? 295 00:15:44,220 --> 00:15:46,220 Any preferred orientation? 296 00:15:46,220 --> 00:15:48,220 And here again, I think 297 00:15:48,220 --> 00:15:50,220 try to express the 298 00:15:50,220 --> 00:15:52,220 the length or the arc of the flash 299 00:15:52,220 --> 00:15:54,220 in terms of the peripheral field. 300 00:15:54,220 --> 00:15:56,220 And if you're talking about a 301 00:15:56,220 --> 00:15:58,220 horizontal peripheral field 302 00:15:58,220 --> 00:16:00,220 as big somewhere in the vicinity of 303 00:16:00,220 --> 00:16:02,220 150-160 degrees, 304 00:16:02,220 --> 00:16:04,220 then in some cases 305 00:16:04,220 --> 00:16:06,220 the light flashes would go 306 00:16:06,220 --> 00:16:08,220 across as much as 307 00:16:08,220 --> 00:16:10,220 50 or 60 degrees of that. 308 00:16:10,220 --> 00:16:12,220 Where's the light flashes broken in the center? 309 00:16:12,220 --> 00:16:14,220 Some cases they were. 310 00:16:14,220 --> 00:16:16,220 Some cases I had the feeling 311 00:16:16,220 --> 00:16:18,220 it was two dots. 312 00:16:18,220 --> 00:16:20,220 One to be really 313 00:16:20,220 --> 00:16:22,220 following the other, 314 00:16:22,220 --> 00:16:24,220 giving the impression 315 00:16:24,220 --> 00:16:26,220 of right to the left and top to bottom, 316 00:16:26,220 --> 00:16:28,220 bottom to top. 317 00:16:28,220 --> 00:16:30,220 The point is, you see that the 318 00:16:30,220 --> 00:16:32,220 retina is so curved, 319 00:16:32,220 --> 00:16:34,220 but if you draw a straight line, 320 00:16:34,220 --> 00:16:36,220 you can't get too long, 321 00:16:36,220 --> 00:16:38,220 you shouldn't be able to get too long 322 00:16:38,220 --> 00:16:40,220 of a streak with that breaking the 323 00:16:40,220 --> 00:16:42,220 line. 324 00:16:42,220 --> 00:16:44,220 If you've been any longer than that, 325 00:16:44,220 --> 00:16:46,220 it would just as 326 00:16:46,220 --> 00:16:48,220 a problem. 327 00:16:48,220 --> 00:16:50,220 You can't hear that. 328 00:16:50,220 --> 00:16:52,220 It should not be any longer than 329 00:16:52,220 --> 00:16:54,220 what I showed you. 330 00:16:54,220 --> 00:16:56,220 If you just went through the 331 00:16:56,220 --> 00:16:58,220 retina and one track, 332 00:16:58,220 --> 00:17:00,220 but if it went through a couple of eyes, 333 00:17:00,220 --> 00:17:02,220 then you would have an impression along the street. 334 00:17:02,220 --> 00:17:04,220 That's why we're interested in the character. 335 00:17:04,220 --> 00:17:06,220 I have one more about the cloud that you saw. 336 00:17:06,220 --> 00:17:08,220 This is a new phenomenon which we had 337 00:17:08,220 --> 00:17:10,220 before. 338 00:17:10,220 --> 00:17:12,220 I think it occurred 339 00:17:12,220 --> 00:17:14,220 I reported it a couple of times 340 00:17:14,220 --> 00:17:16,220 and it appeared as I recall 341 00:17:16,220 --> 00:17:18,220 to be down low 342 00:17:18,220 --> 00:17:20,220 on one eye or the other 343 00:17:20,220 --> 00:17:22,220 and it was just a diffuse lighting. 344 00:17:22,220 --> 00:17:24,220 Any color? 345 00:17:24,220 --> 00:17:26,220 Quite silver. 346 00:17:26,220 --> 00:17:28,220 If you're out in the country 347 00:17:28,220 --> 00:17:30,220 and looking at the rise 348 00:17:30,220 --> 00:17:32,220 and there was lighting behind the cloud, 349 00:17:32,220 --> 00:17:34,220 was it like that? 350 00:17:34,220 --> 00:17:36,220 Except generally if you do that, 351 00:17:36,220 --> 00:17:37,220 you can see a streak behind the cloud. 352 00:17:37,220 --> 00:17:39,220 You can see a streak of a just a diffuse light. 353 00:17:39,220 --> 00:17:41,220 Similar to that. 354 00:17:41,220 --> 00:17:43,220 We have a little gizmo that will simulate 355 00:17:43,220 --> 00:17:45,220 that sort of phosphine when you get 356 00:17:45,220 --> 00:17:47,220 out of the current 357 00:17:47,220 --> 00:17:49,220 and maybe look at it. 358 00:17:49,220 --> 00:17:51,220 The last attempt to try 359 00:17:51,220 --> 00:17:53,220 to get the cloud here. 360 00:17:53,220 --> 00:17:55,220 Does it light some in it? 361 00:17:55,220 --> 00:17:57,220 Good job. 362 00:17:57,220 --> 00:17:59,220 I am. 363 00:17:59,220 --> 00:18:01,220 He's still wet. 364 00:18:01,220 --> 00:18:03,220 Was it anything like that? 365 00:18:03,220 --> 00:18:05,220 I didn't see it. 366 00:18:05,220 --> 00:18:07,220 It's a pretty dim cloud. 367 00:18:07,220 --> 00:18:09,220 They have no darker depth. 368 00:18:09,220 --> 00:18:11,220 They still don't see it. 369 00:18:11,220 --> 00:18:13,220 I'm not seeing anything on a chip. 370 00:18:13,220 --> 00:18:15,220 Okay. 371 00:18:15,220 --> 00:18:17,220 Okay. 372 00:18:17,220 --> 00:18:19,220 But what you're trying to describe 373 00:18:19,220 --> 00:18:21,220 is just what we used to call 374 00:18:21,220 --> 00:18:23,220 heat light in this. 375 00:18:23,220 --> 00:18:25,220 Yeah. 376 00:18:25,220 --> 00:18:27,220 This is a general diffuse light. 377 00:18:27,220 --> 00:18:29,220 Yeah. 378 00:18:29,220 --> 00:18:31,220 You can see the relief of the cloud. 379 00:18:31,220 --> 00:18:33,220 No, not necessarily. 380 00:18:33,220 --> 00:18:35,220 One final question. 381 00:18:35,220 --> 00:18:37,220 We didn't voice up to your question 382 00:18:37,220 --> 00:18:41,220 about whether you noticed 383 00:18:41,220 --> 00:18:43,220 any other sensations 384 00:18:43,220 --> 00:18:45,220 beside flashes, which was the reason 385 00:18:45,220 --> 00:18:47,220 right from that was the difference. 386 00:18:47,220 --> 00:18:49,220 Did you feel any tingling 387 00:18:49,220 --> 00:18:51,220 or quite yourself twitching 388 00:18:51,220 --> 00:18:53,220 or hear anything? 389 00:18:53,220 --> 00:18:55,220 The reason bad is that 390 00:18:55,220 --> 00:18:57,220 if it is an interaction back in the brain 391 00:18:57,220 --> 00:18:59,220 then there are other senses 392 00:18:59,220 --> 00:19:01,220 just found sensitive visual sense 393 00:19:01,220 --> 00:19:02,220 and maybe you should feel something. 394 00:19:02,220 --> 00:19:04,220 Didn't notice any sensation. 395 00:19:04,220 --> 00:19:06,220 There are two things 396 00:19:06,220 --> 00:19:08,220 to think about. 397 00:19:08,220 --> 00:19:10,220 Did you notice your thomad chain 398 00:19:10,220 --> 00:19:12,220 or your lips twitching? 399 00:19:12,220 --> 00:19:14,220 In particular. 400 00:19:14,220 --> 00:19:16,220 No. 401 00:19:16,220 --> 00:19:18,220 Never look for it. 402 00:19:18,220 --> 00:19:20,220 By the way, 403 00:19:20,220 --> 00:19:22,220 these are suggested questions 404 00:19:22,220 --> 00:19:24,220 in the fact that you say no 405 00:19:24,220 --> 00:19:26,220 as significant. 406 00:19:26,220 --> 00:19:28,220 You can press on with different parts 407 00:19:28,220 --> 00:19:30,220 of the anatomy. You might get a yes 408 00:19:30,220 --> 00:19:32,220 to do it. 409 00:19:32,220 --> 00:19:34,220 Right. 410 00:19:34,220 --> 00:19:36,220 You know if there is something significant 411 00:19:36,220 --> 00:19:38,220 about your thums or your lips, 412 00:19:38,220 --> 00:19:40,220 maybe you should warn people 413 00:19:40,220 --> 00:19:42,220 to look for that. 414 00:19:42,220 --> 00:19:44,220 Because I don't know 415 00:19:44,220 --> 00:19:46,220 unless it's going to be so obvious 416 00:19:46,220 --> 00:19:48,220 that if you admit 417 00:19:48,220 --> 00:19:50,220 it's all over. 418 00:19:50,220 --> 00:19:52,220 Sometimes you might think you should be 419 00:19:52,220 --> 00:19:54,220 if you were comfortable. 420 00:19:54,220 --> 00:19:56,220 Okay. 421 00:19:56,220 --> 00:20:00,009 Thank you very much. 422 00:20:00,009 --> 00:20:02,009 I think I said to read yesterday 423 00:20:02,009 --> 00:20:04,009 that you really did provide 424 00:20:04,009 --> 00:20:06,009 an enormously improved 425 00:20:06,009 --> 00:20:08,009 metadata on this film 426 00:20:08,009 --> 00:20:10,009 and that we've had in many previous months. 427 00:20:10,009 --> 00:20:12,009 It was great. 428 00:20:12,009 --> 00:20:14,009 Well, I would add this to that. 429 00:20:14,009 --> 00:20:16,009 I think that's the way you really have to go 430 00:20:16,009 --> 00:20:18,009 is to take a definite treat. 431 00:20:18,009 --> 00:20:20,009 Set it aside and do it. 432 00:20:20,009 --> 00:20:22,009 Because otherwise, 433 00:20:22,009 --> 00:20:24,009 it's so random and 434 00:20:24,009 --> 00:20:26,009 so many other things going through your mind 435 00:20:26,009 --> 00:20:28,009 that the only way you gave it quantitatively. 436 00:20:28,009 --> 00:20:30,009 You know, 437 00:20:30,009 --> 00:20:32,009 a lot of concentrating on that length of time. 438 00:20:32,009 --> 00:20:34,009 Do you feel that that was being unreasonable? 439 00:20:34,009 --> 00:20:36,009 Did I actually do that? 440 00:20:36,009 --> 00:20:38,009 Did you get down to sleep? 441 00:20:38,009 --> 00:20:40,009 That's pretty boring thing to do. 442 00:20:40,009 --> 00:20:42,009 You're sitting in a line watching. 443 00:20:42,009 --> 00:20:44,009 You think we should be 444 00:20:44,009 --> 00:20:46,009 in planning for doing this sort of thing 445 00:20:46,009 --> 00:20:48,009 on future missions. 446 00:20:48,009 --> 00:20:50,009 We shouldn't try to do it much more 447 00:20:50,009 --> 00:20:52,009 than we tried to 448 00:20:52,009 --> 00:20:54,009 get you to do it, 449 00:20:54,009 --> 00:20:56,009 because it's just too much 450 00:20:56,009 --> 00:20:58,009 and you can find a time for it during the flight 451 00:20:58,009 --> 00:21:00,009 when they have, 452 00:21:00,009 --> 00:21:02,009 when they're ready else to do. 453 00:21:02,009 --> 00:21:04,009 I think it's a reasonable to suggest that. 454 00:21:04,009 --> 00:21:06,009 I don't think I would do it 455 00:21:06,009 --> 00:21:08,009 before a sleep bird 456 00:21:08,009 --> 00:21:10,009 or when they're tired or they'll go to sleep on you. 457 00:21:10,009 --> 00:21:12,009 Yeah, you know, 458 00:21:12,009 --> 00:21:14,009 I think long line failed by the time you've, 459 00:21:14,009 --> 00:21:16,009 you know, talked a little bit 460 00:21:16,009 --> 00:21:18,009 brief life like we did. 461 00:21:18,009 --> 00:21:20,009 And then you know 462 00:21:20,009 --> 00:21:22,009 the phenomena is there because, 463 00:21:22,009 --> 00:21:24,009 you know, your first sleep period 464 00:21:24,009 --> 00:21:25,009 or the first time you get to spacecraft, 465 00:21:25,009 --> 00:21:27,009 you're dark and close your eyes, 466 00:21:27,009 --> 00:21:29,009 you're going to see flashes. 467 00:21:29,009 --> 00:21:31,009 And so then that, you know, 468 00:21:31,009 --> 00:21:33,009 sort of sparks your curiosity a little more 469 00:21:33,009 --> 00:21:35,009 and then when they say, 470 00:21:35,009 --> 00:21:37,009 let's settle down and count them 471 00:21:37,009 --> 00:21:39,009 while I think you're agreeable to it. 472 00:21:39,009 --> 00:21:43,500 Come on. 473 00:21:43,500 --> 00:21:45,500 Are you okay? 474 00:21:45,500 --> 00:21:47,500 Hey, one other comment on that, 475 00:21:47,500 --> 00:21:49,500 and I'm not sure that it's related, 476 00:21:49,500 --> 00:21:51,500 but I really think 477 00:21:51,500 --> 00:21:53,500 that this is just a general impression 478 00:21:53,500 --> 00:21:55,500 that if I would look at my 479 00:21:55,500 --> 00:21:57,500 look and say the glow of the wristwatch 480 00:21:57,500 --> 00:21:59,500 or something like that 481 00:21:59,500 --> 00:22:01,500 and then close my eyes again, 482 00:22:01,500 --> 00:22:03,500 I'd almost always see a 483 00:22:03,500 --> 00:22:05,500 flash and I tried 484 00:22:05,500 --> 00:22:07,500 then to correlate looking 485 00:22:07,500 --> 00:22:11,500 at say a crack through the 486 00:22:11,500 --> 00:22:13,500 window shade 487 00:22:13,500 --> 00:22:15,500 or looking at my watch or something 488 00:22:15,500 --> 00:22:17,500 and then closing my eyes 489 00:22:17,500 --> 00:22:19,500 and I really came to the impression 490 00:22:19,500 --> 00:22:21,500 that the two may have been correlated, 491 00:22:21,500 --> 00:22:23,500 but I never really looked at it 492 00:22:23,500 --> 00:22:25,500 enough to say that for sure. 493 00:22:25,500 --> 00:22:27,500 But I think there was a correlation 494 00:22:27,500 --> 00:22:29,500 between seeing a light 495 00:22:29,500 --> 00:22:31,500 or something like this and 496 00:22:31,500 --> 00:22:33,500 enclosing your eyes 497 00:22:33,500 --> 00:22:35,500 and pretty soon you pick up that flash. 498 00:22:35,500 --> 00:22:37,500 That's an important observation 499 00:22:37,500 --> 00:22:39,500 if the action is directly 500 00:22:39,500 --> 00:22:41,500 in the bipolar or the redness cells 501 00:22:41,500 --> 00:22:43,500 the other segment, 502 00:22:43,500 --> 00:22:45,500 you might expect it to behave 503 00:22:45,500 --> 00:22:47,500 the way electrical phosphates 504 00:22:47,500 --> 00:22:49,500 to rather than just 505 00:22:49,500 --> 00:22:51,500 from light which takes dark connection. 506 00:22:51,500 --> 00:22:52,500 What do you think about that? 507 00:22:52,500 --> 00:22:54,500 I'm not sure what your point is 508 00:22:54,500 --> 00:22:56,500 I was going to make the comment 509 00:22:56,500 --> 00:22:58,500 that with respect to the flashes 510 00:22:58,500 --> 00:23:00,500 putting the flashlight in my eyes 511 00:23:00,500 --> 00:23:02,500 did not seem to destroy my dark 512 00:23:02,500 --> 00:23:04,500 adaptation. 513 00:23:04,500 --> 00:23:06,500 Now what that means I don't know. 514 00:23:06,500 --> 00:23:08,500 Did you do it like that? 515 00:23:08,500 --> 00:23:10,500 Yep. That's slow 516 00:23:10,500 --> 00:23:12,500 for that fast. 517 00:23:12,500 --> 00:23:14,500 Yep. For some time. 518 00:23:14,500 --> 00:23:16,500 Do you see any wiped out some of the nerves? 519 00:23:16,500 --> 00:23:18,500 I wiped out something. 520 00:23:18,500 --> 00:23:20,500 I'm not sure that's true. 521 00:23:20,500 --> 00:23:22,500 How long did you do it? 522 00:23:22,500 --> 00:23:24,500 You shouldn't wipe it all out. 523 00:23:24,500 --> 00:23:26,500 A couple of minutes. 524 00:23:26,500 --> 00:23:28,500 A minute back and forth like this. 525 00:23:28,500 --> 00:23:30,500 About five seconds for dryness. 526 00:23:30,500 --> 00:23:32,500 Something like that. 527 00:23:32,500 --> 00:23:34,500 Yeah. 528 00:23:34,500 --> 00:23:36,500 I know where you're seeing 529 00:23:36,500 --> 00:23:38,500 though is it the reason you think 530 00:23:38,500 --> 00:23:40,500 you didn't knock it out out is because 531 00:23:40,500 --> 00:23:42,500 you can still see the flashes. 532 00:23:42,500 --> 00:23:44,500 Well, the cockpit looked different. 533 00:23:44,500 --> 00:23:46,500 Remember I was doing this. 534 00:23:46,500 --> 00:23:48,500 Eyes open. 535 00:23:48,500 --> 00:23:50,500 I didn't like 536 00:23:50,500 --> 00:23:52,500 with just what I considered 537 00:23:52,500 --> 00:23:54,500 dark adaptation. 538 00:23:54,500 --> 00:23:56,500 That I was more dark 539 00:23:56,500 --> 00:23:58,500 adapted. 540 00:23:58,500 --> 00:24:00,500 That I dark adapted much sooner 541 00:24:00,500 --> 00:24:02,500 after doing that. 542 00:24:02,500 --> 00:24:04,500 That I did when we started the experiment. 543 00:24:04,500 --> 00:24:06,500 Yeah. Yeah. 544 00:24:06,500 --> 00:24:08,500 Sure. That you would do. 545 00:24:08,500 --> 00:24:10,500 Because your wipe out comes less with that 546 00:24:10,500 --> 00:24:12,500 just with the flashing you do 547 00:24:12,500 --> 00:24:14,500 with the tungsten lighter. 548 00:24:14,500 --> 00:24:16,500 I'd like to make sure 549 00:24:16,500 --> 00:24:18,500 that it was all 550 00:24:18,500 --> 00:24:20,500 40 minutes whatever it was 551 00:24:20,500 --> 00:24:22,500 that it was shining the light. 552 00:24:22,500 --> 00:24:24,500 But I don't know whether you picked it up 553 00:24:24,500 --> 00:24:26,500 on the air to ground or not. 554 00:24:26,500 --> 00:24:28,500 But I had done that prior to that during one of the sleep periods. 555 00:24:28,500 --> 00:24:30,500 There's just, you do not have to be darker 556 00:24:30,500 --> 00:24:32,500 adapted to see these. 557 00:24:32,500 --> 00:24:34,500 Yeah. I think that's a good way to 558 00:24:34,500 --> 00:24:36,500 draw my insight. 559 00:24:36,500 --> 00:24:38,500 That's a very generic data point. 560 00:24:38,500 --> 00:24:40,500 There's almost certainly proof that it's not 561 00:24:40,500 --> 00:24:42,500 another real life in your eye. 562 00:24:42,500 --> 00:24:44,500 Generate your eye. 563 00:24:44,500 --> 00:24:46,500 Before we saw anything, it was quite a while. 564 00:24:46,500 --> 00:24:48,500 And yeah, but I wipe the light across my eyes 565 00:24:48,500 --> 00:24:50,500 within 30-40 seconds. 566 00:24:50,500 --> 00:24:52,500 There they were again. 567 00:24:52,500 --> 00:24:54,500 17 minutes. 568 00:24:54,500 --> 00:24:56,500 No response. 569 00:24:56,500 --> 00:24:58,500 Yeah. But when I did it with the flash light 570 00:24:58,500 --> 00:25:00,500 within 30-40 seconds, they were right there again. 571 00:25:00,500 --> 00:25:02,500 You said that they were 572 00:25:02,500 --> 00:25:04,500 finder, they seem finder than they had on previous 573 00:25:04,500 --> 00:25:06,500 previous times. 574 00:25:06,500 --> 00:25:08,500 But there definitely is a threshold effect 575 00:25:08,500 --> 00:25:10,500 from some sort because 576 00:25:10,500 --> 00:25:12,500 you saw it twice as many during that period 577 00:25:12,500 --> 00:25:14,500 as the other two did. 578 00:25:14,500 --> 00:25:16,500 And I think maybe it's just 579 00:25:16,500 --> 00:25:18,500 my guess was when you didn't see them, 580 00:25:18,500 --> 00:25:20,500 when they just had to see them regularly. 581 00:25:20,500 --> 00:25:24,500 It was just that they seem 582 00:25:24,500 --> 00:25:26,500 finder than you expected. 583 00:25:26,500 --> 00:25:28,500 And so I took you a while to get your attention now 584 00:25:28,500 --> 00:25:30,500 to finder ones and what you're looking for. 585 00:25:30,500 --> 00:25:34,500 Well, that may be the case, except 586 00:25:34,500 --> 00:25:36,500 they did indeed the pair of feinter 587 00:25:36,500 --> 00:25:38,500 in the beginning. 588 00:25:38,500 --> 00:25:40,500 And it wasn't a matter of 589 00:25:40,500 --> 00:25:42,500 looking for feinter objects. 590 00:25:42,500 --> 00:25:44,500 They were brighter after a while. 591 00:25:44,500 --> 00:25:46,500 And for you out? 592 00:25:46,500 --> 00:25:48,500 And they didn't diminish in brightness 593 00:25:48,500 --> 00:25:50,500 when I did the flash light across my eyes. 594 00:25:50,500 --> 00:25:52,500 They were still just as bright 30 seconds later 595 00:25:52,500 --> 00:25:54,500 as they had there before. 596 00:25:54,500 --> 00:25:56,500 I used to flash light. 597 00:25:56,500 --> 00:25:58,500 And that's why I'm questioning the dark adaptation bit. 598 00:25:58,500 --> 00:26:02,500 Either I didn't wipe the dark adaptation out 599 00:26:02,500 --> 00:26:06,500 or there is something related to dark adaptation 600 00:26:06,500 --> 00:26:12,279 that influences the phenomenon. 601 00:26:12,279 --> 00:26:14,279 That makes sense. 602 00:26:14,279 --> 00:26:16,279 That dark time period that we did it. 603 00:26:16,279 --> 00:26:18,279 And the few flashes we saw 604 00:26:18,279 --> 00:26:20,279 was very surprising to me. 605 00:26:20,279 --> 00:26:22,279 And we talked about this 606 00:26:22,279 --> 00:26:24,279 and we commented on it at the time. 607 00:26:24,279 --> 00:26:26,279 Boy, it seemed like, you know, 608 00:26:26,279 --> 00:26:28,279 you'd wake up during a sleep period. 609 00:26:28,279 --> 00:26:30,279 And... 610 00:26:30,279 --> 00:26:32,279 The role of the boy. 611 00:26:32,279 --> 00:26:34,279 Now here again, maybe I'd lose track of time. 612 00:26:34,279 --> 00:26:36,279 You know, you're laying there in the dark cabin 613 00:26:36,279 --> 00:26:38,279 and maybe it was longer than what I thought. 614 00:26:38,279 --> 00:26:40,279 But it just seemed like the, you know, 615 00:26:40,279 --> 00:26:42,279 abundance of flashes. 616 00:26:42,279 --> 00:26:44,279 And I was amazed when it took 17 minutes to see a flash. 617 00:26:44,279 --> 00:26:46,279 I thought, any time that you wanted to close your eyes 618 00:26:46,279 --> 00:26:48,279 you were going to... 619 00:26:48,279 --> 00:26:50,279 and concentrate on it, you were going to... 620 00:26:50,279 --> 00:26:52,279 You were going to see these things. 621 00:26:52,279 --> 00:26:54,279 That's why I suggest that you're really honest 622 00:26:54,279 --> 00:26:56,279 that it's a time period of time 623 00:26:56,279 --> 00:26:58,279 because it is... 624 00:26:58,279 --> 00:27:00,279 that your random function is far as unconcerned 625 00:27:00,279 --> 00:27:02,279 and try to do it in an non-conundated basis 626 00:27:02,279 --> 00:27:04,279 as often done. 627 00:27:04,279 --> 00:27:06,279 Yeah. 628 00:27:06,279 --> 00:27:08,279 Plus the fact that I think that... 629 00:27:08,279 --> 00:27:12,279 I had to report at different levels of activity too. 630 00:27:12,279 --> 00:27:14,279 I had to feel it was maybe some little faint things 631 00:27:14,279 --> 00:27:16,279 that I would sort of see 632 00:27:16,279 --> 00:27:18,279 that I didn't want to talk about 633 00:27:18,279 --> 00:27:20,279 because I couldn't define it as a flash. 634 00:27:20,279 --> 00:27:22,279 Yeah, I had those too. 635 00:27:22,279 --> 00:27:24,279 So... 636 00:27:24,279 --> 00:27:26,279 I think all sorts of good idea to do this way 637 00:27:26,279 --> 00:27:28,279 because you're subjective. 638 00:27:28,279 --> 00:27:30,279 Impression is not necessarily right. 639 00:27:30,279 --> 00:27:32,279 Like, you felt that you were... 640 00:27:32,279 --> 00:27:34,279 You saw more than you left on your right, 641 00:27:34,279 --> 00:27:36,279 and that wasn't true. 642 00:27:36,279 --> 00:27:38,279 I didn't see any of these things. 643 00:27:38,279 --> 00:27:40,279 Most people do see something 644 00:27:40,279 --> 00:27:42,279 as they're going to sleep in a dark room. 645 00:27:42,279 --> 00:27:44,279 They can't sleep right away. 646 00:27:44,279 --> 00:27:46,279 Down here. 647 00:27:46,279 --> 00:27:48,279 Ah. 648 00:27:48,279 --> 00:27:50,279 I don't know. 649 00:27:50,279 --> 00:27:52,279 Yeah, you got... 650 00:27:52,279 --> 00:27:54,279 like blinking around, you're not on your eyes 651 00:27:54,279 --> 00:27:56,279 if you're getting a real dark room occasionally. 652 00:27:56,279 --> 00:28:00,279 But maybe because we've never really concentrated on looking 653 00:28:00,279 --> 00:28:04,279 for this particular type of phenomenon. 654 00:28:04,279 --> 00:28:08,279 And as you saw, we're different from the ones that you... 655 00:28:08,279 --> 00:28:10,279 You see once in a while. 656 00:28:10,279 --> 00:28:12,279 Oh, definitely a lot more frequent. 657 00:28:12,279 --> 00:28:14,279 Yeah. 658 00:28:14,279 --> 00:28:16,279 How about in Brightness? 659 00:28:16,279 --> 00:28:18,279 About what? 660 00:28:18,279 --> 00:28:20,279 Brightness. 661 00:28:20,279 --> 00:28:22,279 I guess we'll have... 662 00:28:22,279 --> 00:28:24,279 I'll make a note 663 00:28:24,279 --> 00:28:26,279 to see if I've seen any of those, 664 00:28:26,279 --> 00:28:28,279 you know, from here on. 665 00:28:28,279 --> 00:28:30,279 But I certainly haven't... 666 00:28:30,279 --> 00:28:32,279 since we've been back. 667 00:28:32,279 --> 00:28:34,279 But here again, and Ed mentioned this, 668 00:28:34,279 --> 00:28:36,279 and I agree with him, 669 00:28:36,279 --> 00:28:38,279 but it's another subjective thing, 670 00:28:38,279 --> 00:28:40,279 that the flashes you see when you wake up in the middle of the night 671 00:28:40,279 --> 00:28:42,279 as a whole appear to be brighter 672 00:28:42,279 --> 00:28:44,279 than the flashes as a whole 673 00:28:44,279 --> 00:28:46,279 during that experiment 674 00:28:46,279 --> 00:28:48,279 that we did during the day. 675 00:28:48,279 --> 00:28:50,279 And I'm like, 676 00:28:50,279 --> 00:28:52,279 I was a little reluctant 677 00:28:52,279 --> 00:28:54,279 to call anything 678 00:28:54,279 --> 00:28:56,279 except a very positive flash 679 00:28:56,279 --> 00:28:58,279 during that time frame. 680 00:28:58,279 --> 00:29:00,279 You know, I want to make really sure 681 00:29:00,279 --> 00:29:02,279 that that was indeed 682 00:29:02,279 --> 00:29:04,279 a mark at the time that I called it. 683 00:29:04,279 --> 00:29:06,279 But those that you saw during the... 684 00:29:06,279 --> 00:29:08,279 during the middle of the night 685 00:29:08,279 --> 00:29:10,279 appear to be brighter 686 00:29:10,279 --> 00:29:12,279 and I can say, 687 00:29:12,279 --> 00:29:14,279 appear to be more of them. 688 00:29:14,279 --> 00:29:16,279 But here again, you know, 689 00:29:16,279 --> 00:29:18,279 you may lay there for an hour 690 00:29:18,279 --> 00:29:20,279 and you think it's five... 691 00:29:20,279 --> 00:29:22,279 ten minutes or something, I don't know. 692 00:29:22,279 --> 00:29:24,279 Maybe you lose track of the time. 693 00:29:24,279 --> 00:29:26,279 But it's a subjective thing. 694 00:29:26,279 --> 00:29:28,279 It saw one blue flash 695 00:29:28,279 --> 00:29:30,279 that wasn't blue. 696 00:29:30,279 --> 00:29:32,279 It was a silver 697 00:29:32,279 --> 00:29:34,279 blue white. 698 00:29:34,279 --> 00:29:36,279 Blue diamond. 699 00:29:36,279 --> 00:29:38,279 Was that the brightest that you saw? 700 00:29:38,279 --> 00:29:40,279 I don't recall it. It was the brightest, no. 701 00:29:40,279 --> 00:29:42,279 Mm-hmm. 702 00:29:42,279 --> 00:29:44,279 Has anybody been hitting the head and seeing stars? 703 00:29:44,279 --> 00:29:46,279 Yeah. 704 00:29:46,279 --> 00:29:49,690 Were these anything like that? 705 00:29:49,690 --> 00:29:51,690 I think I have more concentrated on the pain. 706 00:29:51,690 --> 00:29:53,690 No! 707 00:29:53,690 --> 00:29:55,690 When you... 708 00:29:55,690 --> 00:29:57,690 when you got a bed tonight 709 00:29:57,690 --> 00:29:59,690 if you, once in a dark room, 710 00:29:59,690 --> 00:30:01,690 if you just knock on your eyeballs, 711 00:30:01,690 --> 00:30:03,690 you should see flashes in the mud with 712 00:30:03,690 --> 00:30:05,690 trying that to see what they look like. 713 00:30:05,690 --> 00:30:07,690 No, we cry a lot in here. 714 00:30:09,690 --> 00:30:11,690 Okay. 715 00:30:11,690 --> 00:30:13,690 No, I'll say, you know, 716 00:30:13,690 --> 00:30:15,690 if you can get the next cruise interested, 717 00:30:15,690 --> 00:30:17,690 Phil, you know, it makes a great topic 718 00:30:17,690 --> 00:30:19,690 a conversation. 719 00:30:19,690 --> 00:30:21,690 And, you know, during the flag, 720 00:30:21,690 --> 00:30:23,690 you've got nothing else to talk about, 721 00:30:23,690 --> 00:30:25,690 you can talk about light flashes. 722 00:30:25,690 --> 00:30:27,690 I want to get the cruise curiosity 723 00:30:27,690 --> 00:30:29,690 to rise to a good date. 724 00:30:29,690 --> 00:30:31,690 I think the pressure we put on the subject, 725 00:30:31,690 --> 00:30:33,690 which is built out of such 726 00:30:33,690 --> 00:30:35,690 the movie, some formal experiment 727 00:30:35,690 --> 00:30:41,720 or a good thing is probably a way to go. 728 00:30:41,720 --> 00:30:43,720 It makes very much sense. 729 00:30:43,720 --> 00:30:45,720 Thank you. 730 00:30:45,720 --> 00:30:47,720 We'll get... 731 00:30:47,720 --> 00:30:49,720 We'll keep back in time for you. 732 00:30:49,720 --> 00:30:51,720 You know what we're going to do with this other thing 733 00:30:51,720 --> 00:30:53,720 and what we're going to do, 734 00:30:53,720 --> 00:30:55,720 how things are going to time rise 735 00:30:55,720 --> 00:30:57,720 for the end of the next two. 736 00:30:57,720 --> 00:30:59,720 You know what the time is now 737 00:30:59,720 --> 00:31:03,720 0731 on Saturday either. 738 00:31:03,720 --> 00:31:05,720 Oh, at least timing. 739 00:31:05,720 --> 00:31:07,720 Yeah. 740 00:31:07,720 --> 00:31:09,720 We're going to spring this early, Chuck. 741 00:31:09,720 --> 00:31:11,720 Somebody said that 21 days ended up 742 00:31:11,720 --> 00:31:13,720 on Saturday morning, yeah. 743 00:31:15,720 --> 00:31:17,720 I would have been glad to believe otherwise, Chuck. 744 00:31:17,720 --> 00:31:19,720 Yeah. 745 00:31:19,720 --> 00:31:21,720 In a deep briefing, 746 00:31:21,720 --> 00:31:23,720 it says 0826th Friday. 747 00:31:23,720 --> 00:31:25,720 Deeks, as we get out, 748 00:31:25,720 --> 00:31:27,720 Friday morning. 749 00:31:27,720 --> 00:31:29,720 He called yesterday. 750 00:31:29,720 --> 00:31:31,720 Yeah. 751 00:31:31,720 --> 00:31:33,720 He called me and I said, 752 00:31:33,720 --> 00:31:35,720 how do we ever get this number here? 753 00:31:35,720 --> 00:31:37,720 I said, I don't know what you guys said. 754 00:31:37,720 --> 00:31:39,720 Well, the radiation people are here. 755 00:31:39,720 --> 00:31:41,720 We're talking about release and all that kind of business. 756 00:31:41,720 --> 00:31:43,720 Can we get a hack on when they're going to get total body pounds?