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Okay, this is take number 14

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Tenuation of section 23.0 with Jack Schmidt

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Okay flight data file CSM

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Generally, I have nothing but praise for the flight data file both vehicles

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There was very very few things that one could have asked for to improve that data file for the four-poly 17 at any rate

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One comment on the flight plan supplement

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Medical and food logging and that probably was a mistake

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I think the idea was fairly good initially, but the pages we tended to only use that in the book as a whole and it was a good place to keep them

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And also the pages if you had wanted them split were too thin to maintain the split and they tended to fall out of the book

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I would recommend either not splitting or having heavier paper if if you want them split

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We had I had an extra cue card built for panel 229

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I think it was an excellent card that summarized the

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Systems and anomalies of any significance that would relate to that card. It was not used

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But I would strongly recommend it's availability if only for training

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During the end during Sims. It's a good quick review of what you lose or

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Retain for those two panels in the flight plan I

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I particularly wanted to look at

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these were independent of any

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experiment

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designated experiment and

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That that seemed to work very well for me

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I think it had that kind of thing as an individual preference item and

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If you have experimented ought to be flight planed if you're just planning to use your spare time for

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specific observational targets or types of observations

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Since it shouldn't concern any large number of people

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craters as a function of time. I did not use that

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Affirmary already with the moon which came very quickly after a couple orbits and you just you could recognize your position

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were useful for reference

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Appoints that we had selected pre-flight were excellent points for investigation and there was no need to try to

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specific points that I labeled as areas

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referenced on my crew notebook in my crew notebook for specific observations

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CMP chart and there were a few pen and ink changes left off of it that caused some confusion at one point

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became reluctant as you were observing a specific point our area targets a such as begaren or something like that to

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The necessity for flying them was probably less than the necessity for having reviewed them and study them

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I still would want to have that kind of data available in the spacecraft even though it on this particular mission it was not used

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but for the most part that was post-tei

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When the and I think that just a function that there was a lot of time to look at the moon and make a sketch and then look back and

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As Dick Gordon said a couple years ago and once you start flying

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Clock is relentless. Okay general flight planning

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I was not very closely involved in the flight planning

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The flight plan was excellent

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We had no problems with it at all that I'm aware of

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number of different requirements and experiments and

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Available window availability so that that I was able to plan in a very short amount of time with minimal effort on my part

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the my own personal

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And which went very well as far as planning was concerned

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the uh, I think it was uh

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useful to

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have the uh, I think it was a day-long session

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where the flight controllers and the crew

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and the flight planners sat around

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Uh, it turned out that the flight plan had been so

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Well-done that the I doubt if there were any specific items that

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This was in contrast to the previous flights where I think the flights where I think we were still learning

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peak of perfection

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I was a little bit disappointed in that briefing and that some of the people who would be eventually

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involved in the mission were not at the flight plan review

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conflicts with other programs which were the center. I was carrying out at the time

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launch I think pretty well in the

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previous sections

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Earth orbit. I think the transcript would cover the visual sightings that I made with respect to

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observations and that same would go for the

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extensive weather observations that I tried to make trans

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trans earth we had only a small crescent of an earth and it was not feasible to do an extensive

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weather observations. I don't know whether I recorded yet that

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although we had light flashes just about continuously during the whole

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flight when you when it was when you were dark adapted

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and I may have even had one which I thought was a flash on the lunar surface

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during the first rev that one period of time when we had the blindfolds on for the

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ultimate experiment there just were no visible flashes although the next that evening that night

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before I went to sleep I noticed I was seeing the light flashes again

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so it just seemed to be that one interval either side of that

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that interval and either side of it where the light flash phenomena was not visible to

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to myself or to the other two crewmen. Lunar orbit I think the transcript and

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the my crew notebook would cover all the visual sightings that I can remember at this stage without

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going over orbit by orbit and feature by feature with the photography I think that has to come

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later. Entry recovered in the previous briefings and I think the same goes for lighting and

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recovery once you stop at a second text. 25.0 pre-mission planning for the LNP

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it's hard to think once again of anything that we didn't do right

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I'm sure that might have been different had we had problems on the flight but right

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the way the flight went the total plan the integration of the mission requirements into that plan

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periods of some difficulty pre-flight particularly in the area of medical requirements

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and in some last minute possible scientific requirements particularly on the samples

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everything seemed to get resolved satisfactory in years I could tell and I don't I can't think of

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anything that was not handled very well in particular between the people who were leveling the

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requirements and the flight planners in particular and occasionally when the crew had to be involved

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that was handled almost entirely by the support crew Bob Parker in the science area and

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Cordy Fullerton and Bob Overfire in the operational areas. There were no significant spacecraft

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changes in the course of our training period. Ron I guess the biggest single area that took time

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was the one that Ron had to deal with and that was Lunar Sounder. Most of our out-step changes were

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all taken care of prior to our training and we had a few minor suggestions that were taken care

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of early in the training cycle and we essentially had an up-to-date out-step training with

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and all other Lunar surface gear was up-to-date for most of the 12-month training period or the final 12

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months of the training period. Mission rules and techniques were fairly well defined very early by

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Phil Schaefer and his crowd and the techniques area and the mission rules are knee-jerry griffin

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and people working on that. No major changes and only the only changes were all I felt in the

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right direction and that they enhanced the probability of making a landing and a successful mission.

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They opened, generally were in the area of opening up possibilities for workarounds so that a

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mission could be completed. We really never had to exercise any significant, any of the mission

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rules in a normal way. I think the one time that a mission rule tended to, let me finish this

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check on everyone. A mission rule tended to be fairly clearly a controlling factor was in the

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limitation on the work at Station 4 or Shorty Crater where we were up against the walk-back constraints

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and terminated that work after only 35 minutes where another 30 minutes there I think would have

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been extremely valuable although I hope that we got nothing information that the phenomena

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exposed at that crater can be understood. They want you to stop it.

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26.0 mission control typically outstanding support for mission control. I think the

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this includes the number of extracurricular hours that the

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limb people and the e-cums for the CSM in particular put in with me on Saturdays and other times

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just generally talking over systems and techniques, mission rules and that was a major factor in

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helping me understand and keep up to speed on those items. I think the help that they gave me

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and designing and the fact is they essentially did it. They did the design of the emergency

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cue cards that we did for Apollo 17 for the limb where it was a major contribution although

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fortunately we did not use them. They still made it possible to understand very quickly

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systems problems and to solve those problems in the simulations and had we require them

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I think it would have gone very well. I particularly want to point out the help that Dick

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Thorson gave in organizing most of the limb sessions and even some of the joint CSM limb sessions

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that we had. He also, Thorson also was a major organizer of the creation of and the updating of

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Bill's emergency cue cards. Human factors, 27.0. Let's go back. That's one other comment on 26.0.

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Post-flight, it's my understanding that some of the things I had hoped could be done during

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the flight were not possible because of real-time discussions in the mission control.

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Specifically one of those things was to have some summary of the thinking of the science

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background given to me while in flight and that would be the thinking based on the data that we

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had transmitted to them verbally and essentially through the television camera. I had hoped that I

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would have the benefit of their thinking but apparently this was not possible to do. I would like

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to think that in the future we can look at ways of using the team approach to science investigations

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in space rather than depending solely on the observational capability and the

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interpretive capability of the men who are performing the job. There's no reason that I can see

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it to not use all the brain power that's available for any given task and part of that brain

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power is on the ground. A 27.0 human factors pre-flight. The brunt of the discussions and

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organization from the crew point of view of the pre-flight health stabilization control program

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was born by the commander and the LNP just sort of went along with whatever was decided.

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Personally did not find any great difficulty in working out and adhering to the requirements

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of that program. Medical care, all very limited requirement was good. A couple of sinus infections

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I had reacted just like they always had and we were able over a period of 10 days or two weeks

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to get those cleared up. Time for exercise probably was less than it should have been although

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I was able to get a good workout just about every other day in addition to the workouts we got

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as a normal course of our EVA training. Eventually techs started scheduling, putting on the schedule

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time in the late afternoon for exercise and that helped as a reminder and buffer to see that

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exercise was obtained. It is generally hard, at least in the lunar training program,

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to get exercise periods in during the day and quite frequently the exercise was done in the

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Cape Jim at night. I think rest and sleep is an individual thing and I made a particular effort

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to always get as much as I possibly could and try never to get behind the parker on rest

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because my personal experience is that that is when I tend to get coals and resulting sinus

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infections. Medical briefing was good. The exams seemed to go very well in my estimation.

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They were as expeditious as possible under the circumstances and I think the

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operational medical personnel who carried out the exams are to be complemented in their

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efforts to see that the exam was as painless and as efficient as possible.

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And this should also include the post-flight exams on the Taekwondo River. Eating habits and

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amount of food consumption were normal except during those periods of time when we were on the

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inflight food prior to launch and those times there tended to be in my case a decrease of appetite

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and certainly although the food was certainly palatable my appetite did go down

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and certainly it was not possible for me to eat the amount of food that was provided for me.

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This also applied to space work but in the case of the inflight eating although I did not

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eat everything that was available to me and my food packages I apparently should

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needed to if I hadn't wanted to avoid losing weight. My appetite was down but also apparently

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for some reason I had a loss of weight and at this time of this recording my weight is still down

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and has not gone up to a pre-flight levels which may have been a little high by the way.

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Okay 17.2 flight appetite and food preference well I just discussed that a little bit

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and the appetite in flight versus to each pre-flight was less again except for when we were testing

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the pre-flight food when I also had a low appetite notable differences in the taste of food

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I think the things I like pre-flight I liked in space and the things I didn't like I also

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didn't like I didn't notice any differences change in food preferences of flight progressed

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I tended to start to prefer to eat the wet packs and would

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eat those in preference to any of the other solid foods. I would strongly recommend

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from my personal point of view at any rate that the wet packs be used in preference to the

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rehydratable. I know I think that probably you get a different opinion from the other crew.

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The juices were good after first period of one and only a period of difficulty with loose

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bowel movements I did cut out the potassium indicated foods and although I can't say whether

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that had any effect or not but I would did not have any other loose I did not have any other

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bowel movements and certainly no more loose ones before the end of the flight. The first

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bowel movement after flight on the time of the tyton of roger was normal the second was very

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loose the third was normal and the fourth and fifth very loose the size of food portions and the

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meal portions of course were pretty much constant in terms of availability packaging but the my

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appetite was very low the first day and gradually increased over the next two or three days

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and remained essentially the same after about the third day. I mentioned the most acceptable foods

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were the wet packs and the juices the food cake I thought was good although it was possible to

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eat too much or to get to a point where you didn't want anymore the chocolate was good I think of

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the dry crackers or cookies or graham crackers were probably the most tasty and peanut butter

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and jelly sandwiches were quite good deviations from the menu and the periods are all recorded in the

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flight transcripts I'm sure okay food preparation and consumption. Rehydration

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went I think normally and the nominal gas was present. Food temperature tended to

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prefer the foods that were warm or hot and the hot water was quite adequate for warm foods we

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actually I think missed the warm foods considerably in the limb where that hot water was not available.

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I did not notice an effect of water flavor water was was reasonably tasty I mean it did not

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I never noticed a high chlorine taste of any kind. Oh the gas content did make it a little bit

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uncomfortable to eat at times. Spoon bowl packages worked pretty well although those that were

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finally divided I tended to cut off the other end of the package the water insertion in

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and use them as a squeeze package. Spoon's worked perfectly adequate. I attended not to use the fruit

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in the cans because of just the messiness of opening those although they're I think the technique

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that Ron worked out was opening it in your inner inner your mouth is a good one. Putteams and

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this kind of thing were very good it was only the fruits the canned fruits that I tended to avoid

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just because they were inconvenient to use. Food bars during EVAs I think were good to have although

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I never ate more than half of one. It wasn't because it was untasty it just because of a

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maybe a lack of interest in eating and using that time during the EVAs. We I think after the EVA

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before and after EVAs in the limb ate very well. There were some things though we did not we

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avoided and I guess in my case after one having corn chowder once and that simulating a major

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valve movement although not a useless one. I tended not I did not eat corn chowder I did not eat

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the cocoa because I tended to feel like I got a little more per gas from cocoa and after taste I

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did not eat the shrimp the seafood the item shrimp and the lobster biscuit these sort of things

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because of a pre-flight I had noticed that they tended to have a long after taste but otherwise

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I think all the other foods were certainly acceptable. Yeah although many times I did not eat potato

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based food waste storage I don't know how the German side old tablet worked the pouch was okay

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we're a nice to have a little dispenser that was easier to use in the pouch I don't know

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whether that would be possible to do or not it seems to me it would a little tube dispenser

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of some kind where they came out more easily. You didn't tend to we generally just cut the

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corner off a pouch and squeezed them out but it did it was a little inconvenient nothing major

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we used the German side of tablets I did a raid in all the juice bags and the food spoonful bags

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and the wet packs I did not use them in the tea and coffee. Under desirable holders really except

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for the passing of gas occasionally by the other crewmen and some occasionally by myself

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I did not find that the atmosphere was unpleasant as a general rule I might say that I generally had

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a continuous almost continuous passage of gas most of which apparently was not with significant

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odor only occasionally that seemed to be objectionable to the other crewmen and I think most

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of that was the water gas and the reason I think that is that upon eating upon starting to eat

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there would be an increased desire to pass gas increased pressure my stomach apparently was

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transmitted almost immediately into the bile and I would after eating it would pass gas for a couple

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hours to three hours and just before eating the next time the desire would have had pretty well

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dissipated and then it would start again immediately immediately upon eating before any digestion

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was possible I'm sure so I suspect the water gas was the main culprit in the LNP's gas problem

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which were not significant quantity of food eaten on the lunar surface I think was high although

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probably no more than half of that food that was available it's hard to say exactly and I think

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that could be worked out maybe with a detailed look at the menus if that is desirable and to

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estimate the quantity would be very difficult food quantity of food discarded on the lunar surface

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and be difficult without looking at the detailed menus and checking off those items that I'm sure

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we ate that I ate it anyway it's quite a lot of people contain I don't know what we have that

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we use the blue bag the blue bag is not a bad way to to defecate unless the stool is loose

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if it's loose it's just about impossible to use and I don't know what you do is your

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Gary for lose stool I don't know of any clever ways prevent that being a problem and I'm not

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even sure whatever this guy will have people are using will prevent that from being a problem the

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best thing you can do is to work out prevention of lose stools rather than trying to handle them

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after you get them it is a loose stool is one of the major hygiene and sanitary and operational

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problems that you can have on a flight I can't emphasize that more you can if it happened on a

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regular basis on a daily basis you would I think eventually cut the efficiency of the crew member

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with the problem bias significant percentage possibly as much as a 30% depending on the magnitude of

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the problem I think it's important to try to understand why poly 17 was different than 16 and at

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least in the delay of a problem of lose stools until about the 11th or 12th day and in the case

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the commander no problem of lose stools and my personal opinion at this point based on

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the information other than observation and flight and thinking about levels of flight intake is

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that with the electrolyte quantity down from that posed on the Apollo 16 that we did not reach

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a electrolyte saturation level until the 11th or 12th day in terms of this CMP and the

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and in terms of the commander because his electrolyte intake was generally less I think and that

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can be documented he didn't he did not reach a saturation level at all and when that saturation

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level was reached however in the case of the CMP and LMB I suspect that dumped in a sensor concentrated

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in the intestines and tended to act pretty much as a laxity an absence all type laxity if you

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and concentrate on the first guy lab that first of all reduce the electrolyte intake so that

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saturation is never reached and secondly that if a lose stool problem develops it appears to be

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an electrolyte problem. Decrease the intake of electrolytes this is what I did on my own and whether

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or not it worked or not it's hard to say because the flight was terminated before any other

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stools occurred okay water orientation odor was not apparent to me except during chlorination

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identification odor is very slight apparent in the limb water but not not have any significance

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to the LMB physical discomfort no physical discomfort for the LMB other than tiredness on

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occasion and in the case of the of the EVA work sore muscles and the bruises under the fingernails

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gas water separator didn't work very effectively and I'm sure that's been discussed with elsewhere

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intensity of thirst during the mission never really thirsty extensively thirsty even during

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the EVA so although I did stop to take a drink of water occasionally but I never drunk I never

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drank all the water in the inflight drink bag in suit drink bag rest and sleep okay hey text could

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you try to call the call of trade or was I work rest sleep for the LMB okay the difficulty

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going to sleep was variable and when seekinol was used generally no difficulty in going to sleep

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when it was not used I guess there was a tendency to stay awake a little bit longer but on other

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occasions the absence seekinol did not seem to affect the rate of going to sleep there was a tendency

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on a couple on several nights to go to sleep and then wake up fairly soon after going to sleep

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within an hour and then the second time took a little bit maybe sometimes took up to an hour to go

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back to sleep but I feel that the medical law reports that for the LMB were generally valid that

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a probably average of five and a half to six hours of sleep per night was good and I don't think

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except for maybe one night somewhere in there did I go much below that but the sleep was

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rarely can probably never continuous for more than three hours without waking up I feel that

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six hours is adequate sleep for the kind of work we were doing in space however the programming of

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eight hours is necessary in order to get six hours because of the periods of wakefulness when

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during sleep periods and for just the difficulty in getting the cabin organized and

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everybody to bed at the pride program time so maintaining an eight hour sleep period is I think

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mandatory in order to obtain the six hours that is probably all it is required to perform the mission

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without getting tired or getting behind the power curve as I say with respect to sleep restraints

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I had the feeling that to find them by the way I had the feeling that I wanted to have my

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head and limbs restrained in order to get a good sleep although I did sleep at times without without

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that restraint I if I were rebuilding the sleep restraints for my personal use I would make them

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smaller with somewhat more feeling of restraint they're a little bit large I would say for use

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when I slept in the couch I tended to put a shoulder strap over my head and sent you down very

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lightly so that I had that feeling of head restraint probably the biggest two things that made

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sleep difficult when it was difficult was the loss of sensory perception of limb position

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in zero gravity when when they were not being moved that perception came back immediately upon moving

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them but when they were just static and in a rest position they tended to be for for the LNP

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anyway the loss of sensory perception of the position of the limb