HqA MC ^orm No. 10514 (Rov 10 Sep 46)
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.JESDIN__________
TSDIN/HM M /ig/6-UlO O
WRIGHT FIELD, DA YTON, OHIO
D EC 1 9 1947
SUBJECT: Flying Discs
TO: Chief of Staff
United States A ir Force
Washington 25, D» C.
A TTENTIO N: Director, R esearch &  Development
M ajor General L. C. Craigie
1* Confirming the recent conversation of tie undersigned with 
M ajor General L* C* Craigie, 9 December 19^7, attached as listed below 
are copies of the reports from this Headquarters concerning Flying 
Discs *
2* Comments of Headquarters, A ir Force on these letters have 
never been received by this Command* Continued and recent reports 
from qualified observers concerning this phenomenon still makes this 
matter one of concern to Headquarters, A ir M ateriel Command* Intelli­
gence Department of this Command is continuing the collection and 
analysis of all available reports•
FO R THE CO M M A NDING GENER A L:
H. M . M cCO Y ( 
Colonel, USA F 
Chief of Intelligence
2 A ttach:
cc itr to CG, W, dtd 25 Sept U7
subj "A M O O pinion Concerning
'•Flying Discs”"
cc itr to CG, A A F, dtd 21; Sept U7
subj "Flying Discs"
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"A nklya1# of ’Plying Disc* R eport#**.
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AFMRS
SUB JECT: Flying Pices
30 December 19ft?
TO: comaauding G eneral
Air Materiel Command 
Wright Field, Jayton, M ila 
Attn: TtiD M
1. R eference is meae to three ineloeures, weraoranda from 
your office to this headquarters, subject as above.
2. It is A ir Force policy not to 1; noro reports of sightings 
and phenomena in toa atmosphere but to recognise that part of its 
mission is to collect, collate, evaluate and act on information of 
tills nature.
3. Tn implementing this policy, it is desired that the A ir ' x^
M ateriel Com sand net up a project whoso purpose is to collect, sj
collate, evaluate and distribute to interested government agencies 
and contractors all information concerning sightings and phenomena 
in the atmosphere which can be construed to be of concern to the 
national security* it Is desired that appropriate recomaendationa s^
be forwarded to this Headquarters, wherever action is indicated 
which falls outside the field of the A ir M ateriel Coomand.
lu It Is suggested that the activities of this project includ® 
the nrepamtion and distribution of an initial report, as reoowmentiod 
in Ineiosure 1, and that subsequent reports be issued on a quarterly 
basis, supplementary reports should be issued at more frequent inter­
val3 should th® need for same be indicated. Thio project is assigned 
priority 2A , with a security classification of "restricted” and Code 
Naras af "ST?:!" ’There data of a classifia.tLnn higher titan restricted 
1# handled by the project ouch data should be classified accordingly. 
A complete interchange of data should be affected as recamDandsd in 
Inclosure 1.
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1. too dtd 23 sept *W 
from AMD to AC/AS-8
JW CO M M A ND O F TIB  CHIEF CT STA FF:
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L. C. CR A IGIE
M ajor Conezwl, U. 8. A ir Force 
Director of R esearch mid tovaloyaoot 
O ffice, Deputy Chief of Staff, juteriel


AFUIk-GU/CoI Garrett/iwd/4544
A 18 Dec 147
B asic Ltr fr Hq. Fourth A ir Force, Hamilton Fid, Calif., dated 5 Dec *47, 
subject: Flying Disc.
A FO IB -CO -5 1st Ind.
Dept, of the A ir Force, Hq. USA F, Washington 25, D. C. . ® 2 D£c ^Z
TO : Commanding General, Fourth A ir Force, Hamilton Field, California
' C Xz?4 ®
1. The marks appearing on the photographs inclosed in basic letter 
are believed to be defects in the film, paper, or camera and not pictures 
of "flying discs".
2. It is requested that no further investigation be made of this 
incident.
FCH THE CHIEF O F STA FF:
DO UGLA SS EJ.^ .
Lt. Colonel. U.S j.'7.
Executive. ’ -.- .. • .. ov- A aquireoientS Div
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B^/r Hq‘ r°urth air Force, Hamilton Fid,Calif, dated 5 Dec *47 
suDj: as above


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HEA DQUA R TER S FO UR TH A IR FO R CE 
O ffice of the A ssistant Chief of Staff, A -2
Intelligence
Hamilton Field, California
4A FDA -3/1208-I
SUB JECTi Flying Diac.
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TO t Chief of Staff 
United States A ir Force 
Washington 25, D. C.
A TTN: Director of Intelligence
1. The attached photographs were forwarded to this office 
by a very reliable source of information, obtained from a M ary L. 
Herren * 1728 S. W. B idwell A venue, Portland 2, O regon. Sho’ advises 
~'theso photographs were taken some time between November 5th and 
12th, 1946, in the vicinity of Jefferson, O regon, and points out 
the formation in the photographs as being objects she did not recall 
seeing herself but she thought might possibly be flying discs.
2# The objects referred to appear in the sky aroa of each 
accompanying photograph. The uniformity of the markings would 
tend to indicate that the camera or film used to take these pictures 
was possibly defective. No incidents of flying discs have 
been reported from that vicinity on or about the inclusive dates 
named above.
3* M rs. Herren has requested the return of the negatives. If 
desired, this office will obtain the negatives and forward them at 
your request.
3 Inolat
Photograph#
DO NA LD L. SPR INGER  
Lt. Colonel, USA F 
A C of S. A -2
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TSNA D-2B /A CL/amb
WRIGHT FIELD, DA YTON, OHIO
18 NO V 1947
SUBJECT: Flying Discs
TO: Chief of Staff
United States A ir Force
Washington 
ATTENTION;
25, D. C.
O ffice, Director of Intelligence 
Lt Colonel George Garrett, Jr©
1.
tion and 
Journal”
The inclosed newspaper clippings are submitted for your informa-
comment* The incident reported in Seattle appeared in the ’’Dayton 
on 12 November 1947, and should be followed up if possible*
2 The story by Lionel Shapiro regarding war weapons developed in
Spain evidently was printed in a number of leading newspapers throughout 
the country© The significance of this article will be dependent upon cer­
tain essential elements for such alleged important developments, such as 
fxxnds, materials, experimental testing facilities, and technological 
’’know-how”* The latter is supposed to be supplied by German scientists* 
The German scientists at this Hq indicate that no important scientists 
from Germany are working in Spain, and those mentioned in this article 
are not known to them*
3* If possible, therefore, an effort should be made to obtain names, 
qualifications, or any information that might help to identify the alleged 
German scientists working in Spain.
4, A brief statement was na.de in a recent intelligence report from 
Hq, USA F, A C/A S-2, regarding a flying disc incident in A laska in September 
^fte close range sighting reported should render a more detailed observation 
than what was reported, which also suggests a follow-up*
5, It is further requested that this office be advised as to progress 
being ^de on the Plo^ing of all flying disc incidents to date, particu­
larly in North A merica* It was understood that Dr* Carroll was going to 
lot thee© incidents, but no further word was received regarding this ef-
THE CO M M A NDING GENER A L*
evrspaper clippings
3ooM
Ionel, A ir Corps 
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HqA MC Form No. 10-514 (Rev. 1 A ug 45)
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AIR M ATERIEL CO M M AN D
TSNA D-2B /A CL/amb
WRIGHT FIELD, DA YTON, OHIO
SUBJECT: Flying Diece 24 NO V 1947
TO: Chief of Staff
United States A ir Force
Washington 25, D# 0*
A TTENTIO N; O ffice, Director of Intelligence 
Lt Colonel George Garrett, Jr#
R eference letter, subject as above, dated 18 November 1947, it is 
requested that immediate action be taken to appropriately mark or stamp 
this correspondence with the classification ’’secret”# This classifica ­
tion number is as follows: U-48983
FO R TEE CO M M A NDING GENER A L?
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HnW£ f^-ni No. 10-514 (Rov 1.0 Sop 44)
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FOLLOWING OFFICE SYMBOL:
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•SECRET
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AIR M ATERIEL CO M M AN D
WF-L-7 JA N 47 300M
TSDIN/HHM /ig/6-U100
WRIGHT FIELD, DA YTON, OHIO
SEP 2 8 1947
SUBJECT: A M C O pinion Concerning "Flying Discs'*
TO: Commanding General
A rny A ir Forces
Washington 25, D. Co
A TTENTIO N: B rig. General Geozge Schulgen
A C/A S-2
1* A s requested by A C/A S-2 there is presented below the considered 
opinion of this Command concerning the so-called "Flying Discs". This 
opinion is based on interrogation report data furnished by A C/A S-2 and 
preliminary studies by personnel of T-2 and A ircraft Laboratory, Engineer- 
ing Division T-J, This opinion was arrived at in a conference between 
personnel from the A ir Institute of Technology, Intelligence T-2, O ffice, 
Chief of Engineering Division, and the A ircraft, Power Plant and Propeller 
Laboratories of Engineering Division T-J.
2. It is the opinion that:
a. The phenomenon reported is something real and not visionary 
or fictitious.
b. There are objects probably approximating the shape of a  
disc, of such appreciable size as to appear to be as large as man-made 
aircraft.
c. There is a possibility that some of the incidents may be 
caused by natural phenomena, such as meteors.
d. The reported operating characteristics such as extreme 
rates of climb, maneuverability (particularly in roll), and action which 
must be considered evasive when sighted or contacted by friendly air­
craft and radar, lend belief to the possibility that some of the objects 
are controlled either manually, automatically or remotely.
e. The apparent common description of the objects is as follows:-
(1) M etallic or light reflecting surface.
U-39552


•stene
B asic Ltr fr CG, A M C, W to CG, A A F, Wash. D. 0. subj "A IK O pinion Con­
cerning “Flying Discs11.
(2) A bsence of trail, except in a few instances when the 
object apparently was operating under high perfor­
mance conditions.
(5) Circular or elliptical in shape, flat on bottom and 
domed on top.
(4) Several reports of well kept formation flights varying 
from three to nine objects.
(5) Normally no associated sound, except in three instances 
a substantial rumbling roar was noted.
(6) Level flight speeds normally above JO O knots are esti- 
mated.
f. It is possible within the present U. S. knowledge — pro­
vided extensive detailed development is undertaken — to construct a  
piloted aircraft which has the general description of the object in sub­
paragraph (e) above which would be capable of an approximate range of 
7000 miles at subsonic speeds.
g. A ny developments in this country along the lines indicated 
would be extremely expensive, time consuming and at the considerable ex­
pense of current projects and therefore, if directed, should be set up in­
dependently of existing projects.
h. Due consideration must be given the following: -
(1) The possibility that these objects are of domestic 
origin - the product of some high security project 
not known to A C/A S-2 or this Command.
(2) The lack of physical evidence in the shape of crash 
recovered exhibits which would undeniably prove the 
existence of these objects.
(3) The possibility that some foreign nation has a form 
of propulsion possibly nuclear, which is outside of 
our domestic knowledge.
3. It is recommended thattv -
a. Headquarters, A my A ir Forces issue a directive assigning 
a priority, security classification and Code Name for a detailed study of 
this matter to include the preparation of complete sets of all available 
and pertinent data which will then be made available to the A rny, Navy, 
A tomic Energy Commission, JR DB , the A ir Force Scientific A dvisory Group, 
NA SA , and the R A ND and NEPA projects for comments and recommendations, 
with a preliminary report to be forwarded within 15 days of receipt of 
•the data and a detailed report thereafter every 30 days as the investi-
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SECRET
B asic Ltr fr CG, A EC, WF to CG, A A F, Wash. D.C. subj "A LE O pinion Con­
cerning ’’Flying Discs”
gation develops. A complete interchange of data should be effected.
U« A waiting a specific directive A KC will continue the investi­
gation within its current resources in order to more closely define the 
nature of the phenomenon. Detailed Essential Elements of Information 
will be formulated immediately for transmittal thru channels.
F. TWINING
Lieutenant General, U.S.A  
Commanding
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TSDIN/HM M /i g/6-UO O
23 September 19^7
SUB JECT: A M C O pinion Concerning "Flying Discs"
TO : Commanding General
A rmy A ir Forces
Washington 25, D. 0.
A TTENTIO N: B rig. General George Schulgen
A C/A S-2
1. A s requested by A C/A S-2 there is presented below the considered 
opinion of this Command concerning the so-called "Flying Discs". This 
opinion is based on interrogation report data furnished by A C/A S-2 and 
preliminary studies by personnel of T-2 and aircraft Laboratory, Engineer­
ing Division T-J. This opinion was arrived at in a conference between 
personnel from the A ir Institute of Technology, Intelligence T-2, O ffice, 
Chief of Engineering Division, and the A ircraft, Power Plant and Propeller 
Laboratories of Engineering Division T-J.
2, It is the opinion that:
a. The phenomenon reported is something real and not visionary 
or fictitious.
b. There are objects probably approximating the shape of a  
disc, of such appreciable size as to appear to be as large as man-made 
aircraft.
c. There is a possibility that some of the incidents may be 
caused by natural phenomena, such as meteors.
d. The reported operating characteristics such as extreme 
rates of climb, maneuverability (particularly in roll), and action which 
must be considered evasive when sighted or contacted by friendly air­
craft and radar, land belief to the possibility that sone of the objects 
are controlled either manually, automatically or remotely.
e. The apparent common description of the objects is an follows;
(1) M etallic or light reflecting surface.
U-59552
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(6)
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(1)
(2)
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(5)
Sasic Ltr fr CO , A W;, W to W/aai^ Wash. D.C. subj "A M C O pinion Con­
cerning ‘'Flying macs".
A bsence of trail, except in a few instances whan the 
object apparently was operating under high perfor­
mance conditions.
Circular or elliptical in shape, flat on bottom and 
domed on top.
Several reports of well kept formation flights varying 
from three to nine objects.
Normally no associated sound, except in three instances 
a substantial runbling roar was noted.
Level flight speeds normally above 
mated.
lt la possible within the present U. 3
vided extensive detailed development is undertaken —
500 knots are eati­
knowledge — pro­
to construct a
piloted aircraft which has the general description of the object in sub­
paragraph (e) above which would bo capable of an approximate range of 
7000 miles at subsonic speeds.
g. A ny developments in this country along the lines indicated 
would be extremely expensive, time consuming and at the considerable ex­
pense of current projects and therefore, if directed, should be set Up in­
dependently of existing projects.
consideration must be given the following:
The possibility that these objects are of domestic 
origin - the product of sore high security project 
not known to / /a:-2 or thin Command.
The lack of physical evidence in the shape of crash 
recovered exhibits which would undeniably prove the 
exlutar.ee of these objects.
The possibility that, some foreign nation lias a form 
of propulsion possibly nuclear, which is outs! e of 
our domestic knowledge.
it la recommended that:-
a. Headquarters, A rmy A ir forces issue a directive assigning 
a priority, security classification and Code Heme for a detailed study of 
thia matter to include the preparation of complete sets of all available
and pertinent data Which will then be made available to the A rmy, Navy, 
A tomic Energy Commission, JR DB , the A ir i orce Scientific A dvisory Group,
NA CA , and the R A ND and NEPA project# for comments and recommendation#, 
with a preliminary report to be forwarded within 15 days of receipt of 
the data and a detailed report thereafter every 50 days as the invest!-
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CO PY
B asic Ltr fr CG, A M C, W to CG, M F, Wash. D.C. Subj "A M O O pinion Con­
cerning "Flying Discs"
gation develops. A complete interchange of data should be effected.
Lt. A waiting a specific directive A M c will continue the investi­
gation within its current resources in order to more closely define the 
nature of the pehnomenon. Detailed Essential Elements of Information 
will be formulated immediately for transmittal thru channels.
N. F. WINING
Lieutenant General, U.S.-*, 
Commanding
U-59552
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TSM A D-2B /A CLteec
2l| September 1947
SUB JECT; "Flying Disc”
TO : Commanding General
A rmy A ir Forces 
Washington 25, D. C.
A TTN: AC/aS-2
M ajor General George M cDorald
1, In compliance with General M cDonald’s telephone conversa ­
tion, this date, to Colonel H. M . M cCoy, T-2, Hq. A M C, attached 
herewith is a copy of a drawing entitled, "Loedding Flying Disc", 
designated LD-2, B ecause of patent rights involved, it is reques­
ted that a record be kept of all persons reviewing this drawing by 
witnessing with signatures and dates directly on the drawing.
2. This drawing should be returned to this office when it 
has served its purpose so that it can be turned over to the Patent 
O ffice Hq. A M C for official record. -
5. Inclosed herewith is also a report prepared by the R oyal 
A ircraft Establishment, Technical Note, A ER O 1705, which describes 
the Horten tailless aircraft. The following references are invited 
-which is considered significant in relating the Horten brothers per­
spective thinking and accomplishments toward the alleged "Flying 
'Saucer" case:
a. Page 5, Paragraph 4 and 6.
b. Page 6, Paragraph 1 and 7*
c. Page 26, Paragraph 3 and 10.
d. Page 27, Paragraph 12.
e. Page 23, Paragraphs 1 through 5.
f. Page 54, Photograph of Horten "Parabola".


B asic Itr, dtd 24 Sep 47, to CG, Hq A A F, Wash, subj: 11 Flying Disc”
g. Page 69, The Horten V III.
h. Pages 71 and 72, Photographs of the Horten IX V ersions.
i. Page 74, Drawing W the "Parabola^.
This document 
purpose.
should also be returned when it has served its intended
4. A recent report from the U. ^ M ilitary attache, M oscow, USSR , 
dated 9 June 1947, indicates that 1800 aircraft, directly or indirectly 
based on the Horten V III design (six engine pusher, having a wing spread 
of IJl feet and a gross weight of approximately thirty-three thousand 
pounds) are being built for bomber squadron use. The R ussian version, 
however, is jet propelled, reference report whose identification No. is 
V -52291-8. * Q
5. The T-2 
No. F-SU-1110-Hd, 
if desired.
report "German Flying V ings Designed by Horten B rothers" 
also inclosed herewith, may be retained by your office
F® THE CO M M A NDING GENER A L:
H. M . M cCO Y
Colonel, A ir Corps
Deputy Commanding General
Ihtelligence (T-2)
3 Incls:
1. Drawing
2. R A E Tech Note, A ER O 1703
3. T-2 R pt, No. F-SU-1110-ND
COPY
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B /L O n A  V C, SubJi "Plying DIM *", dtd 12 vet 47 Lt Col Garrett/dl/4544
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88 O CT •Dept, of the A ir Force. Hq., USA F , Washington 25, D. C.
Tot Commanding General, A ir M ateriel Command, Wright Field, O hio 
(A ttention: T-2)
1. A representative of this headquarter# has contacted Lt. Colonel 
Herbert C. See concerning M rs. M erchant’s theory on the flying disco, 
a# expressed to General Erertrail.
2. It is recommended that no action be taken to interrogate 
M rs* Warchant and that thia case be closed.
B Y O R DER O f THE SECR ETA R Y or THE A IR PO R CEt
Inol# - n/c DO UGLA SS W. EISEMAN
Lt. Colonel, A ix^Corps U ^ ^
Exeautiv. i.< lute , M equirewents D ivision
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Headquarters
A IR M A TER IEL CG^A ND
TSNA D-2B /A CL/amc
TSNA D-2B Wright Field, Dayton, O hio
13 O ct 1947
SUB JECT: ’’Flying Discs”
TO : Chief of Staff
United States A ir Force
Washington 25, D. C.
A TTN: A C/A S-2
Lt Col George Garrett
1. attached copies of communications are self-explanatory 
and' indicate action taken to obtain additional information regarding 
subjects A ssistance show from Lt Col Herbert C. Gee was with 
reference to the social standing and character of M rs. M erchant to 
determine justification for further investigation of her theories.
2. In view of Lt Col Gee’s transfer to Washington, D. C., it 
is suggested that a representative from Headquarters, A C/A S-2 con­
tact and interview him.
3. General B rentnail stated that furs. M erchant was extremely 
talkative and seemed quite intent on promoting a personal enterprise 
instead of cooperating to help solve an intelligence problem.
4. Comments and suggestions, therefore, regarding further 
action to interrogate M rs. M erchant would be appreciated in order to 
close this case as soon as possible.
FO R THE CSTA NDING GENER A L:
/s/w. R . Clingeman, Col., A . C, 
for
2 Incls H. M . M cDO Y
1. Cy A M C, T-2 btr, 9/29/47, Colonel, A ir Corps
’’Flying Discs” Deputy Commanding General
2. Cy 1st Ind, 10/2/47, fr Intelligence (T-2)
Hq. Kirtland Field,
A lbuquerque, New M exico
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29 September 1947 
13 O ct 1947
SUB JECT: ’♦Flying Eises”
TO : Commanding O fficer
O perating Location No. 16 of 
731st A A FB U (101st A A CS Sq) 
Kirtland Field 
A lbuquerque, New M exico 
A TTN: Col. Howard.G. B unker
1. General B rentnall, during a recent visit at Las V egas, 
was contacted by a Ers. M adeline Gwynne M erchant, Santo Pe, Pew 
M exico, who described what may be termed a novel theory concerning 
"Flying Discs”.
2. A ccording to her thoery, "Flying Lises” are being fired 
from a locality in Central M exico from a laboratory which is 
hieing operated by the R ussians. She claims they are being aimed 
at the United States for the purpose of sighting in on important 
atomic energy and aircraft installations.
3. General B rentnail states that he does not have any 
further interest in an interrogation of M rs. M erchant since it is 
not an engineering matter. However, he recommends that if Hq, A ir 
M ateriel Command, T-2, wishes to sponsor an interrogation of this 
nature thet Col. Howard B unker should be contacted to determine 
the name and address of the colonel at Las V egas who has knowledge 
of this case. In view of General B rentnail’s suggestion, no 
direct contact will be made with M rs. M erchant.
4. It is requested, therefore, that the name and address of 
the above mentioned colors' be made available to this office as 
soon as possible so that further action, as deemed advisable, can 
be taken.
FO R THE CO M M A NDING GENER A L:
/s/ V . E. Goll
K. M . M cCO Y
Colonel, A ir Corps
' Deputy Commanding General 
Intelligence' (T-2)


C/L, ' ■■ . . . ..r'/ > Field, Day ton, O hio, Pile TSNA D-2B , 29 Sep 47,
Subj: "Flying Discs”
1st Ind , HGB jms
^EA DQUA R TER S, Kirtland Field, A lbuquerque, New M exico, 2 O ctober 1947
TO : Commanding General, A iT M aterial Command, Wright Field, O hio
A TTENTIO N: T-2
1, The officer referred to in Par- 3 is Lt. Col. Herbert C. Gee, 
0-19717, who was formerly Commanding O fficer at Los A lamos rather than 
Las V egas, as stated. Lt. Col. Gee is now stationed in the office, 
Chief of Engineers, Civil uorks Division, .V ashington, J. C.
2. There is no replacement for Lt. Col. Gee at Los A lamos and no 
information is available to indicate that any individual in this vicinity 
has more information concerning M rs. M erchant’s theory than B rig. Gen. 
B rentnail of A M C who personally conducted an interview with her.
HO WA R D G. B UNKER  
Colonel, A C
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6 O ct 46 y / /
B asic: Ltr fr Hq, 
"Flying Saucers"
A M C,aright Fid, Dayton, 0, 24 Sept 47, Subj:
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"Flying Saucers"
Commanding General, A rmy A ir Force, Washingt^ 25, O .C.
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It is requested that this office be furnished, all/^vailaole 
information concerning an alleged "Flying Saucer" flight sighting 
made by a radar station in Japan. This Incident was mentioned by 
Dr. Charles Carroll during a conference in B rig Gen Schulgen's 
office attended by M r. A .C. Loedding, T-3 representative, on 5 
September 1947.
TO R TR E CO M M A NDING GEN R A I!
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Colonel, A ir Corps
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Ut Ji CT: R eported Sightings of Flying Disco.
TO t Commanding General
A ir M ateriel Command
Wright Field, Dayton, O hio 
A ttention: T-2.
1. Is arranged verbally with M r. Loadding, inclosed is the 
complete file maintained by this O ffice on reported sightings of 
ilying Discs.
2. This file is forwarded so that photostats may be made in 
order to provide your Conuoand with a duplicate set of these sightings.
3. When photostating this material for your purpose, it will 
be appreciated if one extra set is made for this O ffice and returned 
at the sane time the originals are returned.
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4. This file, and the duplicates, should bo returned as soon 
as possible to thia Headquarters, A ttention: A C/A 5-2, A ir Intelligence 
'i»quir««nt> Division, Collection branch.
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SUBJECT: Flying Saucer Phenomena
TO : Deputy Chief of A ir Staff for R esearch &  Development
FROM; A C/A S-2, A ir Intelligence R equirements Division 
Collection B ranch
DA TE 22 A ugust 1947
COMMENT No 1
Lt Col Garrett/nc/4544
1. From a detailed study of certain reported observations on the flying saucers, 
selected for their veracity and reliability, it is apparent that several aspects of 
their appearance have a common pattern.
2. B efore pursuing its investigation of these objects any further, this O ffice 
requests assurance that no research project of the A rmy A ir Forces, at present being 
f^t-flown, has the following characteristics and that it may therefore be assumed
* recent flying saucer "mystery" is not of United States origin:
a. Surface is metallic - indicating a metallic skin, at least.
b. '..'hen a trail is observed, it is a lightly colored blue-brown haze, similar 
to a rocket engine’s exhaust. Contrary to a rocket of the solid type, one observation 
indicates that the fuel may be throttled, which would indicate a liquid rocket engine.
c. A s to shape, all observations state that the object is circular, or at 
least elliptical, flat on the bottom and slightly domed on the top.
d. Size estimates place it somewhere near the size of a C-54 or Constellation 
as they would appear while flying at 10,000’.
e. Some reports describe two tabs located at the rear and symmetrical about
* axis of flight motion.
f, Flights have been reported containing from three to nine objects, flying
good formationon each other, with speeds always above 300 knots.
g. The discs oscillate laterally while flying along, which could be snaking.
R O B ER T TA IL® 3R D
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Chief, Collection B ranch
A ir Intelligence R eouirements Division
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FORM NO. MR-1 (4)
DATE: 5 A ug 47
index: 000.9 Phenomena
TO : Chief, Intelligence Group, Intell. . ence Division, War Dept Gen Staff
FRO M : Executive, A ir Intel, R equirements Division, A C/A S-2
SUM M ARY: R equest for F. B . I. Investigation on B ackground of Certain Witnesses
to "Flying Discs".
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FROM: Deputy Chief of A ir Staff for R esearch &  Development
DATE AUG 2 9 1947
COMMENT No.__
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The A rmy A ir Forces has no research project -with the characteristics described 
in Comment No. 1.
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Deputy Chief of A ir Staff for
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